Today in Trump

[Beanz]

Here is your God after basically setting the Isis mob free by stabbing the Kurds who delivered Baghadadi to him in the back. This is the 'special relationship' and the border control Brexit is all about apparently. Does he know what allies actually are even?


leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the US president called European nations a “tremendous disappointment”. After thanking Russia, Turkey, Syria and Iraq for assistance in the operation, Mr Trump said he had personally pressured EU countries to take back Isis members.
“They came from France, they came from Germany, they came from the UK. They came from a lot of countries,” he added.
“And I actually said to them, if you don’t take them, I’m going to drop them right on your border and you can have fun capturing them again.”


Mr Trump suggested that if detainees escape Kurdish-controlled camps, the US will not “capture people that want to go back to Germany, France, UK and other parts of Europe”.
“They could walk back – they can’t walk to our country. We have lots of water in between our country and them,” he added.
Mr Trump has made similar threats several times in the past, saying earlier this month that he was unconcerned over the potential escape of Isis fighters because “they’re going to be escaping to Europe”.



In August, the US president claimed he would “release [thousands of Isis fighters] to Europe” if they were not repatriated, but the threat has never materialised.
The US does not directly control the prisons and camps where foreign fighters, female Isis members and their children are being held by Kurdish forces.



Numerous escapes have been reported since Mr Trump ordered the US military to withdraw from Syria earlier this month, sparking a Turkish-backed incursion into the areas where Isis members were detained



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...zsjR0vGM1OMV-E

[Fatboxingfan]

I support all of those ideas that were quoted in the post above this one. Those are no-brainers actually.

[Beanz]

I support all of those ideas that were quoted in the post above this one. Those are no-brainers actually.

Your English has miraculously improved. Of course you would support whatever he said. You refuse to engage any kind of rational or critical thinking where he is involved, in an overcompensation i assume, for what you lack yourself. It is so blindingly obvious it is like powerless disenfranchised people here in the UK supporting and voting for hypocritical Tory monsters, in order to feel powerful by embracing their bullying by proxy. There is another way, you just don't want to face the long walk back down again.

[Fatboxingfan]

My friend did have suggested to me too using grammarly which does the autocorrect.

[El Kabong]

Here is your God

While I personally find this sort of hyperbole unhelpful and uncalled for, I'm sure you know what you're doing.

[Beanz]

Here is your God

While I personally find this sort of hyperbole unhelpful and uncalled for, I'm sure you know what you're doing.

Yes i am exercising my free speech to challenge the dominant narrative of this thread in which Trump supporters contribute toward the illusion that the object of their misplaced faith is Godlike and therefore can do no wrong.

You could of course address the body of the post, there are several points there to refute the idea that God Trump is great.

[Fatboxingfan]

I don't know any Trump supporter who thinks that Trump is God. That is your words and you are characterization of Trump supporters. I do not think that Trump is God but I think that everything he does is right.

[Beanz]

I don't know any Trump supporter who thinks that Trump is God. That is your words and you are characterization of Trump supporters. I do not think that Trump is God but I think that everything he does is right.

If course they are my words used to reply to a poster who is not you. If you think everything somethng does is right you too are attributing to them a Godlike status. Let him who lives by the sword die by the sword then. We he goes down you can own it along with Trumps other sheeple like votaries of vulgarity, apostles of oafishness and converts to crassness.

[Beanz]

I don't know any Trump supporter who thinks that Trump is God. That is your words and you are characterization of Trump supporters. I do not think that Trump is God but I think that everything he does is right.

Of course they are my words, used to reply to a poster who is not you. If you think everything someone does is right, you too are attributing to them a Godlike status. Let him who lives by the sword die by the sword then. When he goes down, you can own it, along with Trumps other sheeple like votaries of vulgarity, apostles of oafishness and converts to crassness.

[El Kabong]

Here is your God

While I personally find this sort of hyperbole unhelpful and uncalled for, I'm sure you know what you're doing.

Yes i am exercising my free speech to challenge the dominant narrative of this thread in which Trump supporters contribute toward the illusion that the object of their misplaced faith is Godlike and therefore can do no wrong.

You could of course address the body of the post, there are several points there to refute the idea that God Trump is great.

Oh so you're still going to go with that? OK then, suit yourself...I mean I"ve been being nice, I figured we were done with the petty back and forth shit and we could just talk like regular folks, but ok I'll continue on my way and you can feel free to do you

after basically setting the Isis mob free by stabbing the Kurds who delivered Baghadadi to him in the back.

A ceasefire is in place and the Kurds are protected by the threat of US economic sanctions on Turkey should Erdogan decide to violate the agreement.

America didn't sign up to fight the Kurd's war against the Turks for them, we're allied with both, we're doing what is correct which is ensuring the Kurds are safe and not attacking our ally and fellow NATO member Turkey.....perhaps you could explain to us peons how YOU would remedy the situation? I mean I know how you lean politically so it wouldn't shock me if you said "Attack Turkey" as some groups of the Kurds have socialist/communist leanings....but then again knowing your love of Germany and Germans and their close ties to the Turks I do wonder if you could do so with a clean conscience. What I am saying is its not such an easy black and white situation, there's nuance involved and it's important that such nuance is understood and I think right now you're not understanding that. I feel like you're looking at the situation and thinking "The Kurds are the underdogs, Erdogan is an asshole so NATURALLY you throw 100% of your support behind the Kurds" and it's fine if you think that, from an American standpoint I see that as naive, but if that's what you feel then fine. I just want it explained out how what YOU would do would differ and be better than what Trump chose to do, because so far Trump's plan has nabbed Al Bagdhadi and achieved a ceasefire.


I think Trump has made the absolute best out of a bad situation.

the US president called European nations a “tremendous disappointment”. After thanking Russia, Turkey, Syria and Iraq for assistance in the operation, Mr Trump said he had personally pressured EU countries to take back Isis members.
“They came from France, they came from Germany, they came from the UK. They came from a lot of countries,” he added.
“And I actually said to them, if you don’t take them, I’m going to drop them right on your border and you can have fun capturing them again.”


Mr Trump suggested that if detainees escape Kurdish-controlled camps, the US will not “capture people that want to go back to Germany, France, UK and other parts of Europe”.
“They could walk back – they can’t walk to our country. We have lots of water in between our country and them,” he added.
Mr Trump has made similar threats several times in the past, saying earlier this month that he was unconcerned over the potential escape of Isis fighters because “they’re going to be escaping to Europe”.



In August, the US president claimed he would “release [thousands of Isis fighters] to Europe” if they were not repatriated, but the threat has never materialised.
The US does not directly control the prisons and camps where foreign fighters, female Isis members and their children are being held by Kurdish forces.



Numerous escapes have been reported since Mr Trump ordered the US military to withdraw from Syria earlier this month, sparking a Turkish-backed incursion into the areas where Isis members were detained

The United States pays the bills, never forget that...we pay for NATO, we pay for the UN, now personally given the attitudes of members of other nations I'd rather not, but we do it regardless. So these great European nations can't/won't take back prisoners who are traitors to their countries and see them punished? Wow, stunning and brave. I guess we'll see how you truly feel about open borders now then won't we?

Other potential and current traitors are watching and seeing the weak and pathetic inaction of those European nations....think that makes them second guess themselves or emboldens them?

America didn't sign up to hold everyone's prisoners, we didn't sign up to fight for the Kurds against the Turks. If those are things that people want to be done then there's a manner in which to do it and that would be for CONGRESS to pass laws and formally declare war, but that ain't going to happen.

[Beanz]

Firstly, don't assume every post i make is directed at you.

Secondly you do not have a monopoly on the use of the word 'God'. Are you going to invoke some ancient blasphemy laws like a Muslim extremist or do you actually believe in free speech?

It is a serious question because it seem you are very happy to be purposefully offensive and flippant to a huge range of groups and individuals when it suits you, and yet are very hair triggered by me using four words

"Here is you God"

This is how I have always written and will ALWAYS.

" Here is your God "

This is not an attack on Christians, or the religious, all Trump supporters or you personally. It is merely a phrase, pointing out how despite all the faith invested in the rhetoric of the man, how ungodlike his actions are. You may understand it better like this, and forgive me if i get it wrong, because this is from memory and from recollection of over 30 yrs ago. In what you would call 'The Old Testament' there is a passage that recalls the prophet (Gd bless him) Elijah mocking the Baal worshipers in which he said


"Where is your God? has he gone to the privy?"


This is Trumps chance like Baal to prove himself and he has run away. He has abandoned and turned on his allies.

I most certainly do not consider you a peon, and nor do I think it an insult (just like peasant is not an insult) and I think you are very mistaken for assuming my position is arrived at through naivety. My family and I, who you dismiss so readily, have many Turkish and Kurdish friends. Growing up in Northern Cyprus they can speak Turkish fluently. If you remember we invited some of those brave female Kurds to come to London and tell us about their lives a couple years back and you and Gandalf roundly mocked and dismissed myself and my younger brothers for doing so. The last thing they or I would want, is for Turkey to be attacked. (Rojava was a feminist state that even you should have applauded and yet here you are telling me to be ashamed of being a socialist.)

The Kurds delivered Al Baghdhadi to your privy using President, despite him abandoning them. They ran those prisons not America.

I of course would like Britain to take back any former citizen that went to fight for Isis and punish them accordingly. I have been explicitly clear on never making excuses for those Islamic extremists for years here. You assume an awful lot to think otherwise. That is no excuse for Trump to boast about his own inaction.

Happy Samhain

[walrus]

Sure the Kurds helped with al bagger. Even whoever it was that stole his underwear risked their lives. Whoever was involved in giving the info on him got millions of dollars. Good on them. We spent years, probably decades helping the Kurds who have terrorists amongst them. In the end it was trumps call to send in the special forces to take him out. It’s a sad mess over there, has been since England drew up the borders. By the way this isn’t an attack on anyone just my opinion

[Beanz]

Sure the Kurds helped with al bagger. Even whoever it was that stole his underwear risked their lives. Whoever was involved in giving the info on him got millions of dollars. Good on them. We spent years, probably decades helping the Kurds who have terrorists amongst them. In the end it was trumps call to send in the special forces to take him out. It’s a sad mess over there, has been since England drew up the borders. By the way this isn’t an attack on anyone just my opinion

I agree the BRITISH drawn borders have contribute massively to the mess. You ( Americans not you specifically) Trump included, spent years helping the IRA terrorists too. I have always supported the reunification of Ireland but that does not mean supporting the fuckers who targeted UK civilians and bombed the British mainland with American bought explosives.

[El Kabong]

Firstly, don't assume every post i make is directed at you.

I didn't assume it was directed at me, I just noted that the tone of it (which I'm now NOT attempting to decipher from you anymore because of reactions like this) was unhelpful for the discourse of the forum.

Secondly you do not have a monopoly on the use of the word 'God'. Are you going to invoke some ancient blasphemy laws like a Muslim extremist or do you actually believe in free speech?

I never claimed I had the monopoly of the use of any word. I just noted that how that read to me personally wasn't something that was going to lead down a happy path....you're free of course to choose to go down that road should you want to. I just thought you had been in enough knockdown drag outs that you'd want to avoid things like that, I guess I was mistaken....my bad.

I said nothing about blasphemy and you're certainly free to post whatever you like I mean shit I've got no power to ban anyone or keep anyone from having a say on here so yeah don't know what to tell you about that.

It is a serious question because it seem you are very happy to be purposefully offensive and flippant to a huge range of groups and individuals when it suits you, and yet are very hair triggered by me using four words

So since our little discussion on thinking before we post and treating each other a bit nicer I've been offensive and flippant? You made your comment, I responded and you're free to react and respond however you want to I don't know how I'd keep you from doing so perhaps you can tell me

"Here is you God"

This is how I have always written and will ALWAYS.

" Here is your God "

Yeah, ok, have fun with all that, but it comes across a certain way....it's fine if you don't care about that too, but I'm free to point that out no?

This is not an attack on Christians, or the religious, all Trump supporters or you personally. It is merely a phrase, pointing out how despite all the faith invested in the rhetoric of the man, how ungodlike his actions are. You may understand it better like this, and forgive me if i get it wrong, because this is from memory and from recollection of over 30 yrs ago. In what you would call 'The Old Testament' there is a passage that recalls the prophet (Gd bless him) Elijah mocking the Baal worshipers in which he said


"Where is your God? has he gone to the privy?"


This is Trumps chance like Baal to prove himself and he has run away. He has abandoned and turned on his allies.

I didn't say it was an attack on those groups, I just said it's not helpful and hyperbolic...which it was, at least to me it was I can't speak for others.

OK again put yourself in the position of President of the United States....now sir, tell me how YOU solve Turkey vs the Kurds when America isn't at war with either of those groups, is allied to BOTH of those groups, and the American military mission in that area has 0 to do with helping one over the other. Their war is THEIR war, it isn't ours to get our nose stuck in on. I don't understand how this happens and then once we do get stuck in it's always "Gee what the hell is America doing in all these foreign nations?!?!" and "Well what did you think would happen going to fight in all these different countries?".....a ceasefire was achieved, diplomatic pressure was placed on Turkey, and American lives weren't placed in danger, to me that's win-win....might look bad to the kurds, but the Turks aren't wiping them out at present so it's not a total loss for them either. I believe the big hubub about the Kurds is media driven more than anything else.

I most certainly do not consider you a peon, and nor do I think it an insult (just like peasant is not an insult) and I think you are very mistaken for assuming my position is arrived at through naivety. My family and I, who you dismiss so readily, have many Turkish and Kurdish friends. Growing up in Northern Cyprus they can speak Turkish fluently. If you remember we invited some of those brave female Kurds to come to London and tell us about their lives a couple years back and you and Gandalf roundly mocked and dismissed myself and my younger brothers for doing so. The last thing they or I would want, is for Turkey to be attacked. (Rojava was a feminist state that even you should have applauded and yet here you are telling me to be ashamed of being a socialist.)

I didn't say your position was arrived at THROUGH naivety, I just don't believe you have accounted for all of the factors involved in this case and also it's an easy position to have "just support the underdog" but there's a lot more moving parts to the situation.

I don't dismiss your family, but I'd rather not mention them at all. I'm not surprised you know and are friendly with so many Turks and Kurds.

Being kind and generous of your own free will is a blessing to others and something to be celebrated, being forced by the government and use of force/threat of incarceration to provide for those unwilling to do for themselves or their families is depraved and evil. I've always believed that and always will...I LIVE that, I don't help people because it is demanded of me by the government, I do it out of the goodness of my heart, on my own, of my own free will...the difference between the two could fit the entire universe.

The Kurds delivered Al Baghdhadi to your privy using President, despite him abandoning them. They ran those prisons not America.

I of course would like Britain to take back any former citizen that went to fight for Isis and punish them accordingly. I have been explicitly clear on never making excuses for those Islamic extremists for years here. You assume an awful lot to think otherwise. That is no excuse for Trump to boast about his own inaction.

Happy Samhain

Abandoning them in what? Certainly not in the fight against ISIS which is 100% why we're there. ISIS is gone now, they're done, finished, caputski. We didn't sign up to help them fight the Turks, that's the crux of this issue and we helped them out more than we were obligated to in that matter so why the fuss?

They ran those prisons because America provided them with the weapons and training and help they needed.

Well Britain ain't taking them back and that's an issue, neither is France, neither is Germany, etc. It speaks to the unwillingness of OUR allies to handle their business, they just constantly leave it to Americans to clean up...how's that for turning a back on an ally? No words for them? No words for those who short change NATO or the UN yet still have everything America promised them?

[El Kabong]

....but I was told the "deep state" was some sort of vast right wing conspiracy