2019 UK General Election

[Gandalf]

Do you folks honestly think that Tories, Labour, LibDems are genuinely working towards achieving Brexit? I mean SOME Tory & Labour voters might(certainly no high ranking politicians), but I highly doubt it. I know the LibDems are buddy buddy with Guy Verhofstadt so that's a NO from them.


Let's all face the facts, the PEOPLE want what the politicians won't give them and won't even attempt to give them. After throwing up their hands because a deal cannot/will not be reached (thanks to the Germans and the always contrarian to everything British Irish) a second referendum will be pushed.


I would imagine that once general elections are allowed to happen the results will be pretty fucking wild.

Looking at Johnson's deal it is basically the same as what May was offering. It isn't a fair deal at all. The Brexit Party has its single policy, but if people are being duped that Johnson has a deal, then that is on them to not fall for the Tory trick as Johnson obviously does not have a good deal, but you cannot be a party that is basically establishment except for one policy. There is no future in that kind of limitation. So, maybe they will struggle due to the perception that Johnson 'has a deal'. Then Labour has flip flopped and not respected the results of the referendum and has abandoned the British working classes, and Lib Dems are basically a 5th column.

So, yes, I can see a messy result and just continued confusion. The people are not getting what they want and I can see potentially very dangerous consequences down the road. If you remember Ireland basically had a similar thing and a first referendum was ignored and then they were pummeled until accepting a second one. It is a tested strategy and if there is one rule of Euro Club it is that one must not leave Euro Club.

[Fatboxingfan]

Boris Johnson wanted everybody out by October 31st. What do you mean it was a bad deal?

[Gandalf]

A bad deal in that the terms and conditions meant the EU was still in effect dictating the course Britain could go in. It was in effect akin to US alimony. Not your wife anymore but you are still having to adhere to her conditions. It was a weak deal. There were no children to raise here. It should be fair and decent.

[Fatboxingfan]

I thought it was a no deal brexit

[Master]

Did palmereq support SNPl

[palmerq]

Did palmereq support SNPl

I always do, I can vote in these elections too!

[Fatboxingfan]

Did palmereq support SNPl

I always do, I can vote in these elections too!

Me three!

[Gandalf]

Labour looks in serious trouble and I think they somewhat deserve what is coming. The North appears to have abandoned the party and Labour is going to lose what was historically theirs. If you don't want to represent the British working classes or do what they want, then they will just not vote for you. I saw it myself last year and went home full of Corbynite hubris, but by the time I had left, I realized that nobody liked him and that people were not happy with the EU or open borders which Corbyn will of course continue full throttle. He has nothing and a party that doesn't like him or even the general public. It is a lost cause and they are going to lose a lot of seats. I like him economically, but not on much else if I am honest. And even then I think the welfare system needs serious rethinking and the health service needs restructuring. If I want to see a doctor, I will go and see a doctor right now, but for some reason that is impossible in the UK, seemingly even in the case of an emergency. It needs rethinking. The Tories are no real alternative really and I can see why Dia is so apathetic.

With proportional representation change can happen more quickly, but with the antiquated system and two dinosaurs, change is slow. In saying that Labour's vote is split between the awful Lib Dems and the rather singular Brexit Party. I would like something genuinely new to emerge and given time it will.

I think the Tories will take it pretty strongly, but given Boris and his deal, I am not sure that is such a good thing either.