Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

[Ron Swanson]

Floyd is a great boxer, but holy shit he tippy toed his way to keeping that 0. Hell of a boxer, but you just wonder...WHAT IF.


What if Casamayor or Freitas at 130
What if a younger De la Hoya and Mosley
What if Hatton at 140
What if Cotto pre-Margarito with a trainer he still had full confidence in
What if a younger Zab Judah
What if Kostya Tszyu
What if Paul Williams
What if Margarito
What if Sergio Martinez
What if GGG

I mean is Floyd still a favorite to beat those guys? Probably. Does he still beat those guys? Most likely....but as a fan it's not getting to see those big fights ever happen that sucks.


Floyd made a bunch of money, he is the A#1 boxer known worldwide, he can do exhibition bouts vs anyone and make millions, but to me as a fan his career is a disappointment because he was too much about self preservation and not enough about having a challenge and testing himself.

Is it better to have a loss or two or have all the what ifs? I mean with the lower weight class fighters speculation does run rampant about catchweights (that's another bullshit thing) which fighter moves up or down what are the advantages. Strategywise, setting up matchups Floyd is a genius and hell he still had to make the business happen in the ring....I'm in awe of that......still I'm thinking he could have been undeniably the greatest by making different matchups at different points in his career and the careers of other fighters but oh well.

So in a career of about 20 years and 5 divisions you need to speculate about a 6th division to come up with 7 names he didn’t fight that you would have liked him to fight. And you see this as an argument against him, that should be an argument for him.

You use when and where he fought Oscar, Shane, Hatton, and Cotto against him when it is well documented that they rejected offers from him, at the times you would have liked, at 140 for Ricky and Miguel, a decade earlier for Shane and Oscar. Keep in mind none of these 4 made him a counter offer. In fact they all flat said no. Or “we aren’t looking to fight him right now” is the best, softest version of no.

I think people just don’t see how wildly unjust they are to Floyd. Dude was and is a dirtbag so he deserves it. But it’s not like Pacquiao has 1 or 2 losses, he has 7, and 2 draws. And Floyd made him look f’n easy H2H. This really should not be a debate. It’s like who is tougher Superman or Aquaman. Aquaman had a great career but f, Superman is Superman. Obviously not saying Floyd is Superman but there is a reason he could make hundreds of millions of dollars with a style most don’t appreciate, because he was that damn good.

[El Kabong]

So in a career of about 20 years and 5 divisions you need to speculate about a 6th division to come up with 7 names he didn’t fight that you would have liked him to fight. And you see this as an argument against him, that should be an argument for him.

You use when and where he fought Oscar, Shane, Hatton, and Cotto against him when it is well documented that they rejected offers from him, at the times you would have liked, at 140 for Ricky and Miguel, a decade earlier for Shane and Oscar. Keep in mind none of these 4 made him a counter offer. In fact they all flat said no. Or “we aren’t looking to fight him right now” is the best, softest version of no.

I think people just don’t see how wildly unjust they are to Floyd. Dude was and is a dirtbag so he deserves it. But it’s not like Pacquiao has 1 or 2 losses, he has 7, and 2 draws. And Floyd made him look f’n easy H2H. This really should not be a debate. It’s like who is tougher Superman or Aquaman. Aquaman had a great career but f, Superman is Superman. Obviously not saying Floyd is Superman but there is a reason he could make hundreds of millions of dollars with a style most don’t appreciate, because he was that damn good.

I came up with fights off the top of my head that I would have liked to see as a boxing fan. MY BAD Ron, MY FAULT, I'm sorry I didn't know that was something I shouldn't do. I said Floyd is rated higher in my own personal opinion as well. He's well over Pacquiao.....doesn't mean I wouldn't have liked to see Floyd fight an undefeated Miguel Cotto as I think Cotto gave him a great fight as it was. I think Hatton at 140 is a totally different animal than Hatton at 147, but I think Floyd wins, it's just vs what Hatton...147, the shitty Hatton. He put up a good fight, gave a good account of himself, but do you not agree that Hatton at 140 was better than Hatton at 147? Use your eyes...tell me Hatton looked better at 147.

Those are BOXING as a sport issues and I as a fan of boxing can and will point that out. Sorry you seem to have a personal issue with my take as a fan on issues like that.

How am I unjust to Floyd? Did he or did he not specially pick out his opponents? JMM at 147 a guy who previously never fought above 135...oh it was SUPPOSED to be at 144, but then mysteriously this changed and JMM weighed in at 142 and Floyd at 146 and on fight night? JMM weighed in on HBO's unofficial scale at 148 and Floyd? Oh he declined to be weighed ....but hey he's the GOAT right? He's not trying to screw someone over to keep his 0 right?

You act like Floyd is the only boxer ever in the history of all time to be speculated about. Get a grip. He's a great fighter, but yes he picked and chose who, when, and if he was going to fight and what the stipulations would be for the fight....and as I said he still had to do (and he did) the business in the ring and all props to him for that otherwise everyone would be undefeated.


But yeah, cry about any boxing fan being "too harsh on Floyd" to someone else

[J_Undisputed]

So in a career of about 20 years and 5 divisions you need to speculate about a 6th division to come up with 7 names he didn’t fight that you would have liked him to fight. And you see this as an argument against him, that should be an argument for him.

You use when and where he fought Oscar, Shane, Hatton, and Cotto against him when it is well documented that they rejected offers from him, at the times you would have liked, at 140 for Ricky and Miguel, a decade earlier for Shane and Oscar. Keep in mind none of these 4 made him a counter offer. In fact they all flat said no. Or “we aren’t looking to fight him right now” is the best, softest version of no.

I think people just don’t see how wildly unjust they are to Floyd. Dude was and is a dirtbag so he deserves it. But it’s not like Pacquiao has 1 or 2 losses, he has 7, and 2 draws. And Floyd made him look f’n easy H2H. This really should not be a debate. It’s like who is tougher Superman or Aquaman. Aquaman had a great career but f, Superman is Superman. Obviously not saying Floyd is Superman but there is a reason he could make hundreds of millions of dollars with a style most don’t appreciate, because he was that damn good.

I came up with fights off the top of my head that I would have liked to see as a boxing fan. MY BAD Ron, MY FAULT, I'm sorry I didn't know that was something I shouldn't do. I said Floyd is rated higher in my own personal opinion as well. He's well over Pacquiao.....doesn't mean I wouldn't have liked to see Floyd fight an undefeated Miguel Cotto as I think Cotto gave him a great fight as it was. I think Hatton at 140 is a totally different animal than Hatton at 147, but I think Floyd wins, it's just vs what Hatton...147, the shitty Hatton. He put up a good fight, gave a good account of himself, but do you not agree that Hatton at 140 was better than Hatton at 147? Use your eyes...tell me Hatton looked better at 147.

Those are BOXING as a sport issues and I as a fan of boxing can and will point that out. Sorry you seem to have a personal issue with my take as a fan on issues like that.

How am I unjust to Floyd? Did he or did he not specially pick out his opponents? JMM at 147 a guy who previously never fought above 135...oh it was SUPPOSED to be at 144, but then mysteriously this changed and JMM weighed in at 142 and Floyd at 146 and on fight night? JMM weighed in on HBO's unofficial scale at 148 and Floyd? Oh he declined to be weighed ....but hey he's the GOAT right? He's not trying to screw someone over to keep his 0 right?

You act like Floyd is the only boxer ever in the history of all time to be speculated about. Get a grip. He's a great fighter, but yes he picked and chose who, when, and if he was going to fight and what the stipulations would be for the fight....and as I said he still had to do (and he did) the business in the ring and all props to him for that otherwise everyone would be undefeated.


But yeah, cry about any boxing fan being "too harsh on Floyd" to someone else

Also lets not pretend we don't know that lowballing someone with an offer way below market value is typically seen in the business as a way to tell whether or not a guy is serious about fighting you.

[Spicoli]

Let's put it this way. Who do I have more respect and appreciation for. Who has stacked divisions and trinkets like he was decorating a Christmas tree. Who would I make it a point to tune in for and who just beat, convincingly, the man who was berated for the longest as a clear ducker of "The Man" at 147? Who's next fight will arguably be another huge fight for trinket(s) and who is still making front page news? Some tease comebacks and ring relevance with some traveling circus against kickboxers and some actually fight on v top pros. Now in all fairness....Mayweather is the better more polished top skill fighter/athlete over all. But let's be honest can you name the first couple of guys Manny lost to. And the fact he took early ko's and became legend to eclipse those nights. And does anyone still believe he lost to Horn and Bradley. Now to turn that I don't think he beat Marquez in #2 either. But we can do that with any fighters record with the depth and quality of these two. Just to be clear I've nothing but respect for Floyds natural talent and business mind and being a brilliant ring master but having a glossy -0- doesn't immediately translate to a cemented one way ticket to GOAT. Greats take losses too, and they right them. Manny will forever be Mayweather's last super fight. Mayweather ranks higher overall because ultimately he beat the brakes off Manny.

[Gandalf]

I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.

Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.

[imp]

I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.

Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.

Rubbish.

The man that fights anyone.?!

So pretty boy never existed?

How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.

Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.

Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!

Please.

[iwng100]

I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.

Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.

Rubbish.

The man that fights anyone.?!

So pretty boy never existed?

How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.

Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.

Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!

Please.

Why you're still giving credit to Floyd for beating a much smaller 37 years old, past his best Marquez ?
I remember we had an argument on this subject a few years ago, the time this fight happened Marquez was a proven lightweight ( he fought two times at lightweight after that), he was dragged 4 division north of his best weight by one of the most skillful fighter ever, he never had a chance.
I,m not saying he would have beat Floyd (possible though) if they were the same size but I'm pretty sure it would have been much closer.
I'm also not blaming either of them for taken this fight, Juan Manuel got his biggest payday, Floyd was coming out from the retirement ("The Punisher" was more preferred) but we shouldn't consider it a fair fight.

[Gandalf]

I personally rank Pac higher based on actually taking on a lot more difficult fights and though losing some, winning most. I respect that more than cherry picking which Floyd did for a good decade. Plus we shouldn't kid ourselves that Floyd didn't arguably lose fights too. He was very lucky to get away with a few decisions.

Both excellent fighterss, but I prefer the man that fights anyone and I don't really consider their face off all that meaningful. I think Pac was genuinely injured and clearly not quite what he was 5 years previously. Sure Floyd is older, but Manny has a style that ages and to be fair he has lasted a long time with it by boxing more and fighting in spurts.

Rubbish.

The man that fights anyone.?!

So pretty boy never existed?

How can you judge which fighter in history fought anyone..this is business..manny had to fight Marquez 3 times (or was it 4?!) and we all know how that ended.

Floyd fighting Marquez was one of his easiest fights..Floyd has the ability to adjust and make his opponent quit mentally and survive for the payday..imagine being caught with a pull counter everytime..makes you reluctant..very reluctant to make that mistake again.

Is Porter a better fighter than Spence because Porter isn’t afraid to fight everyone?!

Please.

I said both excellent fighters, but you whine 'rubbish'. That is the sign of a fanboy and when you bring in 'Pretty Boy' you add a curious homo eroticism. It is cute.

The Marquez comparison is lame. Marquez was flabby and cheated on at the scales. I cannot even believe you argue that as a meaningful comparison. And styles make fights anyway. It is why Pac destroyed prime Cotto, but Floyd struggled at times

Pac might have lost fights, but he did not avoid fights and I respect that more. It is as simple as that for me. I don't care about protecting an 0 in the pursuit of money.

[ABS_BOXING_TV]

Floyd 100%

[johnsebastianmiran]

Manny fought grade A fighters but let's not forget Floyd climbed divisions to become recognized as a possible all time great. I am praising him as boxing's best chess master since Ali but Manny risked it all during his career and deserves our praises but Floyd may not be a scholar but his concentration and planning puts him levels above fighter in higher weight divisions and in years to come. He is the better fighter but I still don't like him but give him credit. He still needs a personality transplant.

[powerpuncher]

I’ll start off by saying that I think that Pacquiao has a better resume than Floyd, but people are acting as if Floyd just ducked people and Pacquiao fought all top guys in their prime.

Pacquiao has multiple catch weight fights and refused to fight certain fighters too. He also had very sketchy PED accusations. I’m only saying this because people seem to be acting like Floyd was the only one of the two who tried to put advantages into his favor. Pacquiao did it all of the time.

[fan johnny]

It looks like you have answered your own question with accomplishments. Pacquiao is still semi active. I don't get why so many want to compare Mayweather's career with Pacquiao's career. They have completely different backgrounds. Pacquiao and Duran have more similar backgrounds both coming from living and working the streets. Mayweather is from a boxing family and had a prominent armature career before turning pro. I think a better comparison is with Dela Hoya.

[ykdadamaja]

I'm insulted by this post. Honestly. To even ask that about a man who Mayweather beat is just disrespectful. It can be misconstrued as racist, but truly I think you guys just hate Mayweather personally. lol.... (but it may have roots in racism)


That's like still asking who was better- Ray Leonard or Hagler when the matter was settled in the ring. Not even like who's better, Ali or Tyson. lol...mor Marciano or Tyson.