Quote Originally Posted by Beanz View Post
Thanks for being the grown up Rich. Yes it is true I do come out swinging. I think because a lot of us do not feel the need to be join in with a lot of the banter in your group it is seen as being aloof when in reality we all get along fine and talk together outside of the forum despite being very different.

Nobody is as blunt and offensive as me and a lot of that is down to frustration with the fact that what was once a Saddo for all, is now an us and them place, with very divided factions.

It has become increasingly polarised and I really do not understand the thinking behind a lot of the attitudes you all share and the opinions you guys post everyday.

The easy thing would be for me to just give up and leave you guys to it but the reality is a new victim would be sought out.

Master, Ryanman, Kirk, whoever would have to be the odd one out. I know you all do not see it like that, but it is what it feels like on this side of the wall you have all built around yourselves here.

Crap! I had written 90% of my post and inadvertently erased it. Oh well.... I'll have to recap.

Now that things thankfully seem to be simmering down on various fronts, there are some serious questions I'd like to pose.

First, I appreciate that you've lately made an effort to individualize me, as this unwarranted "group" thing was really starting to wear thin. So any efforts by you to address me as an individual do not go unnoticed, and are much appreciated.

Still... it's puzzling to me why you seem so attached to the "us vs them" narrative. I just don't see it that way.

Look at some of the wordage in your post.

"... in your group..." "...we all get along fine..." "... attitudes you all share..." "... wall you have all built around yourselves here..."

It's puzzling because you've clearly seen arguments where there are different people on each side of the issue. Trump.... gun control and mass shootings in the U.S.... LGBTQ.... the environment.... immigration.... IQ.... etc, etc, etc.

You've SEEN that... and yet you revert back to the "your group" narrative at the slightest friction with a select group of people.

A truce, or return to civility, if you will... lasts for a while, and should be permanent, I think... but eventually there's a heated disagreement, and the us vs. them narrative comes back.

You say (your words) there's no one here "as blunt and offensive" as you, for the reasons you state. Yes... you are quite blunt, which is not in itself anything bad. In fact, bluntness can sometimes be quite refreshing.

Although maybe there is some of that cultural factor blended in there.... which again is one of the things that make this forum so interesting.

I'm trying to sort of put myself in your shoes somewhat, and see why you would be so insistent on this "group" mentality.

Maybe it's because in finding yourself at odds with several posters at the same time, it's easier to group them together. Sort of like a shotgun mentality. If the opponents are all grouped together, they're easier to target.

Please don't take this wrong. I'm honestly trying to get at the root of the issue.

And no.... neither Master, Ryanman, nor Kirk would be the odd ones out of anything. I get along completely with Master, and have never had issues with either Ryanman or Kirk.



I've already stated that I admire the diversity of this forum, and the wit, intelligence, and articulateness of most people on the forum.

Regardless of what you continue to describe as the "old Saddo's" vs the "new Saddo's", I still enjoy it here enough to keep on coming back after almost 15 years, and have never been able to stick to any other boxing forum. (Maybe I'm a masochist ).



I think we've all disrespected each other on here at one time or another... but I think we can undo any damage that may have been done. Otherwise, how can I look forward to a possible Saddo reunion at some future date?