2019 UK General Election

[El Kabong]

I am talking about inequality causing more ordinary people using food banks, huge companies paying little tax, shortage of housing, schools closing on Friday's because of underfunding, etc

How is there underfunding when you OBVIOUSLY have enough wealth and prosperity to welcome in immigrants by the millions I mean surely they do not place any burden on the lifelong residents of Great Britain!


Also if there's a problem with taxation and funding why not hold a general election and have the PEOPLE sort that out with their votes?

[Fatboxingfan]

i am talking about inequality causing more ordinary people using food banks, huge companies paying little tax, shortage of housing, schools closing on friday's because of underfunding, etc

how is there underfunding when you obviously have enough wealth and prosperity to welcome in immigrants by the millions i mean surely they do not place any burden on the lifelong residents of great britain!


Also if there's a problem with taxation and funding why not hold a general election and have the people sort that out with their votes?

bang on.

[Master]

I am talking about inequality causing more ordinary people using food banks, huge companies paying little tax, shortage of housing, schools closing on Friday's because of underfunding, etc

How is there underfunding when you OBVIOUSLY have enough wealth and prosperity to welcome in immigrants by the millions I mean surely they do not place any burden on the lifelong residents of Great Britain!


Also if there's a problem with taxation and funding why not hold a general election and have the PEOPLE sort that out with their votes?

I really do not know what you are on about now.

[El Kabong]

I really do not know what you are on about now.

Well Western nations (I assume Great Britain would be included in this since Europe in general is) are told that there are "economic migrants" coming to those nations in order to partake in the prosperity inherent within those nations. So in order for that to be the case Great Britain can't be doing TOO poorly in an economic sense. Also those migrants would of course make full use of things like schools and hospitals which are all funded by the state but they wouldn't have paid into those institutions for the years that natural born citizens have so of course that MIGHT be the cause of some under funding and or the closing of certain schools and hospitals (speaking from an American perspective of course, and so maybe your situation is dramatically different).


Surely some corporations avoid over paying taxes, there's nothing wrong with that, certainly there are tax loopholes and well those can LEGALLY be made use of regardless of how one feels about the ethics of that. I agree SOME companies don't pay taxes at all and there's little to no reason for it for example in America: Amazon, GE, GM, Eli Lilly, Chevron, Netflix, Gannett, Goodyear, Haliburton, etc paid $0 in federal taxes and as a citizen I find that displeasing, so we can agree on that at least.


As for elections, politicians need to be held accountable for allowing corporations to run roughshod over the citizens. Yes Obamacare and the taxes that wrought I felt were draconian in nature, but at the same time, we all put some money in the box. I'm not so sure of hoe companies are taxed in Great Britain, but in America we've got fairly high rates of taxation which are filled with loopholes, ergo my own personal stance of lowering the tax rate and erasing the loopholes (better to get something than nothing) and I vote with that in mind. Perhaps Britain is different in that manner, but judging from what you say I'd imagine you've got a bit of a loophole issue as well.

[Master]

I really do not know what you are on about now.

Well Western nations (I assume Great Britain would be included in this since Europe in general is) are told that there are "economic migrants" coming to those nations in order to partake in the prosperity inherent within those nations. So in order for that to be the case Great Britain can't be doing TOO poorly in an economic sense. Also those migrants would of course make full use of things like schools and hospitals which are all funded by the state but they wouldn't have paid into those institutions for the years that natural born citizens have so of course that MIGHT be the cause of some under funding and or the closing of certain schools and hospitals (speaking from an American perspective of course, and so maybe your situation is dramatically different).


Surely some corporations avoid over paying taxes, there's nothing wrong with that, certainly there are tax loopholes and well those can LEGALLY be made use of regardless of how one feels about the ethics of that. I agree SOME companies don't pay taxes at all and there's little to no reason for it for example in America: Amazon, GE, GM, Eli Lilly, Chevron, Netflix, Gannett, Goodyear, Haliburton, etc paid $0 in federal taxes and as a citizen I find that displeasing, so we can agree on that at least.


As for elections, politicians need to be held accountable for allowing corporations to run roughshod over the citizens. Yes Obamacare and the taxes that wrought I felt were draconian in nature, but at the same time, we all put some money in the box. I'm not so sure of hoe companies are taxed in Great Britain, but in America we've got fairly high rates of taxation which are filled with loopholes, ergo my own personal stance of lowering the tax rate and erasing the loopholes (better to get something than nothing) and I vote with that in mind. Perhaps Britain is different in that manner, but judging from what you say I'd imagine you've got a bit of a loophole issue as well.

Thank you for the clarification because your first post felt cryptic to me.

Migrants contribute through taxes and of course it has been less than people born in the country but they can not help that.

The government has reduced corporation tax and these loopholes do need to be closed. The amount of money lost is astronomical, yet the government cuts even more over the past 10 years. Now it is making all these big spending promises because of the general election.

[El Kabong]

Thank you for the clarification because your first post felt cryptic to me.

Migrants contribute through taxes and of course it has been less than people born in the country but they can not help that.

The government has reduced corporation tax and these loopholes do need to be closed. The amount of money lost is astronomical, yet the government cuts even more over the past 10 years. Now it is making all these big spending promises because of the general election.

Cryptic? Come on man.

Would you say when it comes to taxation and spending that migrants are more often a net positive, neutral, or net negative? In 2012 the Telegraph said 370,000 migrants were on benefits. Now you attempt a Google search as I have and you see plenty of articles on the benefits of EUROPEAN migrants, but it's fairly difficult to find numbers for OTHER groups and their contributions if any to Great Britain.


Well the only way taxation loopholes get closed is by electing folks who won't include them in their policies. I'm glad we agree on that. Surely SOME spending could be cut right? I mean I don't look at the government and say "Damn, that is a tightly run ship and nary a penny is wasted!" in fact i'm likely to say quite the opposite.

[Master]

Thank you for the clarification because your first post felt cryptic to me.

Migrants contribute through taxes and of course it has been less than people born in the country but they can not help that.

The government has reduced corporation tax and these loopholes do need to be closed. The amount of money lost is astronomical, yet the government cuts even more over the past 10 years. Now it is making all these big spending promises because of the general election.

Cryptic? Come on man.

Would you say when it comes to taxation and spending that migrants are more often a net positive, neutral, or net negative? In 2012 the Telegraph said 370,000 migrants were on benefits. Now you attempt a Google search as I have and you see plenty of articles on the benefits of EUROPEAN migrants, but it's fairly difficult to find numbers for OTHER groups and their contributions if any to Great Britain.


Well the only way taxation loopholes get closed is by electing folks who won't include them in their policies. I'm glad we agree on that. Surely SOME spending could be cut right? I mean I don't look at the government and say "Damn, that is a tightly run ship and nary a penny is wasted!" in fact i'm likely to say quite the opposite.

Corbyn definitely says that he will increase corporation tax to the levels they were in 2010 and are in line with many countries in Europe. He also wants to tax these multinationals more than what they have been paying.

I agree public money needs to be spent properly and not wasted. The privatisation of the probation service has wasted £500 million and is being brought back into public ownership. That is true waste.

[Gandalf]

Thank you for the clarification because your first post felt cryptic to me.

Migrants contribute through taxes and of course it has been less than people born in the country but they can not help that.

The government has reduced corporation tax and these loopholes do need to be closed. The amount of money lost is astronomical, yet the government cuts even more over the past 10 years. Now it is making all these big spending promises because of the general election.

Cryptic? Come on man.

Would you say when it comes to taxation and spending that migrants are more often a net positive, neutral, or net negative? In 2012 the Telegraph said 370,000 migrants were on benefits. Now you attempt a Google search as I have and you see plenty of articles on the benefits of EUROPEAN migrants, but it's fairly difficult to find numbers for OTHER groups and their contributions if any to Great Britain.


Well the only way taxation loopholes get closed is by electing folks who won't include them in their policies. I'm glad we agree on that. Surely SOME spending could be cut right? I mean I don't look at the government and say "Damn, that is a tightly run ship and nary a penny is wasted!" in fact i'm likely to say quite the opposite.

Post EU migration is a massive net loss and that is now the majority of immigration. They take more and use more and year after year it continues. Labour and Tory have no answers. The EU is an issue, but British identity will be the issue of coming decades.

[Fatboxingfan]

British have no more identity.