The Lonely NFL Thread (complete with tumbleweeds)

[El Kabong]

I don't wish to steer this thread into the political quagmire many other threads go to, I merely wished to explain to you @TitoFan why Kaepernick draws my ire. I find him and the BLM disingenuous and I believe they have ulterior motives namely COMMUNISM of which I am wholeheartedly against you know due to it's tendency to cause for the deaths of multiple millions of people during peacetime with no famine, pestilence, or plague.

Yes there's a discussion to be had in regards to the excessive use of force by police, but Kaepernick and BLM aren't the folks to hold that conversation with. Salute them for drawing attention to a cause, but their "solutions" would only exacerbate things.

[Master]

That sounds like socialism to me.

[El Kabong]

That sounds like socialism to me.

Po-tay-to po-tah-to


When you're talking about systems of GOVERNMENT/ECONOMY there's no difference and they are both tyrannical and oppressive.


That said, I'm all about charity and being willing to support your community of your own free will and not under threat of violence, I think that is a virtuous thing and we certainly need more of that.

[TitoFan]

Single mothers in predominantly black neighborhoods doing an awful job of raising male children and leaving the problem to the cops.

Yeah... I hear you. I know enough to understand the issue of the harm this causes on society and the burden it puts on cops. Some of these young women just keep pumping out kids without any regard for society when these kids grow up to be less than stellar individuals.

All that does is underscore the need to adjust the police force accordingly. Like I said before... more training... better screening... more accountability... more use of non-lethal, incapacitating weapons... mandatory body cams for every cop. Like you said... education (on both sides).... more controlled interactions between police and civilians.... etc. All good and worthy ideas.

By the way, I saw the Larry Elder video on Kaepernick and Nike. Interesting fellow, this Elder guy. Obviously it all depends where we get our information/videos from, doesn't it. Elder obviously has a VERY big bone to pick with Kaepernick, for whatever reason. I care not that he's black. He can be just as biased as any white guy. But again.... I saw ONE video of Kaepernick speaking and all he said was what I've seen written over and over again. He's protesting the tragic incidents between white cops and black young men. Oh... and the studies cited. Well... I don't need to see a study to tell me that shooting a black guy 16 times, most of them while he's lying on the pavement..... (and then LYING about the whole damn incident).... is MURDER. Oh wait... the guy had a knife in his hand. I guess that changes everything. The cop shot from about 10 feet away (imminent danger from a guy NOT walking towards him with a knife in his hand). The first shot dropped him... so I guess the other 15 were just to make sure.

I don't know all the other incidents by heart, so I'll just stop there. I do remember the guy who got shot in the back while RUNNING AWAY from the cop, who then shot him several times, killing him. Thank God for the bystander with the phone camera, huh?

Before you list the "other" incidents where the cop was probably justified in using lethal force, I really don't want to go there. ONE incident is more than enough to show there is a problem within some of the police forces in the U.S.

But back to Kaepernick. Excuse my ignorance, please. But until I see a video of Kaepernick HIMSELF calling for communism or any of the other "demands" you listed as BLM demands..... I guess I'll just have to go by what I myself hear and see. Until I see or hear a video of Kaepernick asking Nike to remove the Betsy Ross flag from its tennis shoe, I guess I'll keep on believing that Colin Kaepernick is just a young black guy fed up with all the same stories I'm fed up with.

[El Kabong]

Single mothers in predominantly black neighborhoods doing an awful job of raising male children and leaving the problem to the cops.

Yeah... I hear you. I know enough to understand the issue of the harm this causes on society and the burden it puts on cops. Some of these young women just keep pumping out kids without any regard for society when these kids grow up to be less than stellar individuals.

All that does is underscore the need to adjust the police force accordingly. Like I said before... more training... better screening... more accountability... more use of non-lethal, incapacitating weapons... mandatory body cams for every cop. Like you said... education (on both sides).... more controlled interactions between police and civilians.... etc. All good and worthy ideas.

By the way, I saw the Larry Elder video on Kaepernick and Nike. Interesting fellow, this Elder guy. Obviously it all depends where we get our information/videos from, doesn't it. Elder obviously has a VERY big bone to pick with Kaepernick, for whatever reason. I care not that he's black. He can be just as biased as any white guy. But again.... I saw ONE video of Kaepernick speaking and all he said was what I've seen written over and over again. He's protesting the tragic incidents between white cops and black young men. Oh... and the studies cited. Well... I don't need to see a study to tell me that shooting a black guy 16 times, most of them while he's lying on the pavement..... (and then LYING about the whole damn incident).... is MURDER. Oh wait... the guy had a knife in his hand. I guess that changes everything. The cop shot from about 10 feet away (imminent danger from a guy NOT walking towards him with a knife in his hand). The first shot dropped him... so I guess the other 15 were just to make sure.

I don't know all the other incidents by heart, so I'll just stop there. I do remember the guy who got shot in the back while RUNNING AWAY from the cop, who then shot him several times, killing him. Thank God for the bystander with the phone camera, huh?

Before you list the "other" incidents where the cop was probably justified in using lethal force, I really don't want to go there. ONE incident is more than enough to show there is a problem within some of the police forces in the U.S.

But back to Kaepernick. Excuse my ignorance, please. But until I see a video of Kaepernick HIMSELF calling for communism or any of the other "demands" you listed as BLM demands..... I guess I'll just have to go by what I myself hear and see. Until I see or hear a video of Kaepernick asking Nike to remove the Betsy Ross flag from its tennis shoe, I guess I'll keep on believing that Colin Kaepernick is just a young black guy fed up with all the same stories I'm fed up with.

I guess I just scrolled past this earlier...

What specific incident are you speaking of about the shooting 16 times? What studies are you talking about?

Yeah I remember the Walter Scott shooting I was the very first to post about it here and I called it MURDER...I think justice was eventually carried out as the officer is in jail for life.

"ONE incident is more than enough" oh so the police must maintain perfection then? Well that's easy enough to do....and no I'm serious, it's quite easy for the police to be PERFECT in not shooting anyone at all. The easiest way to do it is just no longer police areas with any violent crime at all. Done and done....everyone is safe from the scourge of the crooked police then.

former NFL player Marcellus Wiley on Colin Kaepernick

....gets interesting around the 4:30 mark....but hey what does Marcellus Wiley know?

Flaked on a meeting with all the police chiefs in the area? $1 million from Jed York to Kaep's organization AND a meeting with the chiefs of police and you don't show? Local churches who wanted Kaepernick to say his piece....he flakes?


Whatever....I give up. He plays he doesn't play he flies a rocketship to the moon, I don't care. I care about the issues with police but at the end of the day it doesn't matter

[TitoFan]

I guess I just scrolled past this earlier...

What specific incident are you speaking of about the shooting 16 times? The Laquan McDonald shooting by Jason Van Dyke. Van Dyke got 6 years.


What studies are you talking about? The studies Larry Elder was referring to, trying to establish that there's no statistical difference between white cop/black man shootings, and other shootings by cops. I thought you had asked me about the Larry Elder video, so I looked it up.

Yeah I remember the Walter Scott shooting I was the very first to post about it here and I called it MURDER...I think justice was eventually carried out as the officer is in jail for life.

"ONE incident is more than enough" oh so the police must maintain perfection then? Please don't pounce on that. One incident because I can't be bothered to go back and research every white cop/black man shooting there's been over the past several years. Well that's easy enough to do....and no I'm serious, it's quite easy for the police to be PERFECT in not shooting anyone at all. The easiest way to do it is just no longer police areas with any violent crime at all. Done and done....everyone is safe from the scourge of the crooked police then. You know that's not what I mean.

former NFL player Marcellus Wiley on Colin Kaepernick

....gets interesting around the 4:30 mark....but hey what does Marcellus Wiley know?

Flaked on a meeting with all the police chiefs in the area? $1 million from Jed York to Kaep's organization AND a meeting with the chiefs of police and you don't show? Local churches who wanted Kaepernick to say his piece....he flakes?


Whatever....I give up. He plays he doesn't play he flies a rocketship to the moon, I don't care. I care about the issues with police but at the end of the day it doesn't matter

Colin Kaepernick means nothing to me. Let's get that out in the open. I just applaud his wanting to bring the white cop/black man shooting problem out in the open. Anything else regarding Colin Kaepernick is quickly becoming superfluous in my book. I'm actually beginning to be sorry I ever mentioned him.

[El Kabong]

There are bad cops, there are cops that make bad decisions, and sometimes those folks end lives unjustly....that happens and it happens to people of all races. Nuance is important and looking at each individual event is warranted.


That said, I'll let you get it back to football

[Master]

That sounds like socialism to me.

Po-tay-to po-tah-to


When you're talking about systems of GOVERNMENT/ECONOMY there's no difference and they are both tyrannical and oppressive.


That said, I'm all about charity and being willing to support your community of your own free will and not under threat of violence, I think that is a virtuous thing and we certainly need more of that.

That sounds like a socialist to me.

[El Kabong]

That sounds like socialism to me.

Po-tay-to po-tah-to


When you're talking about systems of GOVERNMENT/ECONOMY there's no difference and they are both tyrannical and oppressive.


That said, I'm all about charity and being willing to support your community of your own free will and not under threat of violence, I think that is a virtuous thing and we certainly need more of that.

That sounds like a socialist to me.

Which part?

[Master]

That sounds like socialism to me.

Po-tay-to po-tah-to


When you're talking about systems of GOVERNMENT/ECONOMY there's no difference and they are both tyrannical and oppressive.


That said, I'm all about charity and being willing to support your community of your own free will and not under threat of violence, I think that is a virtuous thing and we certainly need more of that.

That sounds like a socialist to me.

Which part?

Recognising that there is such a thing as a community for one and contributing to it the other. Maggie Thatcher did not believe in such a thing.

[El Kabong]

Recognising that there is such a thing as a community for one and contributing to it the other. Maggie Thatcher did not believe in such a thing.

So long as contributing isn't under threat of force I'm all for it, I do it myself when I'm able, everyone should. It brings us all together.


Government FORCING charitable giving via draconian taxation and handing out meager benefits, that creates resentment, laziness, and a sense of entitlement.



I'm quite well pleased if you notice and acknowledge the difference

[TitoFan]

I don't wish to steer this thread into the political quagmire many other threads go to, I merely wished to explain to you @TitoFan why Kaepernick draws my ire. I find him and the BLM disingenuous and I believe they have ulterior motives namely COMMUNISM of which I am wholeheartedly against you know due to it's tendency to cause for the deaths of multiple millions of people during peacetime with no famine, pestilence, or plague.

Yes there's a discussion to be had in regards to the excessive use of force by police, but Kaepernick and BLM aren't the folks to hold that conversation with. Salute them for drawing attention to a cause, but their "solutions" would only exacerbate things.

Again, I'll have to claim to be uninformed about what Colin actually says. I thought he was clear from the very beginning why he was protesting, and it all had to do with the white cop/black man shooting crisis in the streets. I haven't seen Colin attaching himself to BLM, but maybe the other way around. That's a fine line, but important nonetheless.

I DON'T believe Colin himself has ulterior motives of any type, most certainly not communism. I frankly don't know where you got that. I DO praise him for drawing attention to a cause, as you said.... but haven't exactly heard of him suggesting any solutions. It's important to me to keep to what's in front of me. I'm not going to simply lump Colin and BLM extremists together because they all happen to be black and indignant over the crisis I've already mentioned.