The Lonely NFL Thread (complete with tumbleweeds)

[TitoFan]

You've obviously gone to great lengths to research (I'm assuming) and express here the entire agenda of the BLM movement. Assuming you're accurate about that (and I'm not implying you're not), that's pretty commendable on your part.

Needless to say, you KNOW I've been against reparations from the very beginning. I like to focus forward, not backwards. If anything, I've been consistent in my opinions.

THAT, in a nutshell, would summarize how I feel about the whole black-white issue and anything the BLM movement would have to say.

I'm all for justice across the board. Not just lip service to the whole racist cop issue..... but actual, concrete, measurable actions.

I see you've commented on each individual BLM "demand" and I can see myself agreeing with many of your comments.

In short, I don't condone nor support any demand that seeks to go above and beyond merely trying to establish an even playing field for the average black citizen, without talk of retribution/reparations for things of the past.

Let's move forward... and quit trampling all over the past. In Spanish we say quit stirring the shit, lest it begin to stink.



A lot of items on that list are "pie-in-the-sky" types of things like someone sat down to make a list and at some point added things while shrugging and saying... "why not?".

But let me pick out one specifically related to the shooting problem I've been talking about.... along with your response.

"the criminalization and dehumanization of Black youth across all areas of society"; - Is that actually a thing?

To answer your question... yes.
Maybe not across ALL areas of society.... but certainly in enough big city police departments to the point where they not only abuse their power, but also protect each other from any accountability for blatantly racist actions against black males.

You know it's a problem... I know it's a problem... everybody knows it's a problem. But no one does a damn thing about it. I've yet to see mandatory body cams across all police forces.

Dashcams have already captured extremely disturbing videos of some of these tragedies. If cops continue doing this knowing there are dashcams..... imagine what goes on when they know no one's watching and there are no witnesses.

How do you eliminate or at least reduce the "criminalization and dehumanization of black youth"?

You weed out the bad cops and throw them the hell off the force. You beef up entrance requirements to the police force. You redouble your training on confrontational situations and the use of deadly force. You enforce mandatory body cams on EVERY SINGLE COP. You combat this fucking fraternity where they all cover each other's asses. You put excellent leadership on these police forces, not some hateful bastard with racism oozing out of his pores. You redouble the use of non-lethal, disabling methods, which exist but are ignored by some of these assholes. You amp up the punishment for these needless shootings and allow the full weight of the law to come down on these murderers.

THAT'S how you attack a problem if you really want to.

[El Kabong]

I know enough to understand the issue of excessive use of force from police against young black men is not something that happens in a vacuum. There's no easy fix, there's no simple solution, and there's no 1 root cause either. Oftentimes the police have not covered themselves in glory, but likewise, there are policemen out there who just want to make it through the day and they put up with major bullshit on the regular.

I believe fatherlessness and lack of a positive male role model is a huge issue in several communities which show a disproportionate level of criminal activity. And hell we can discuss the WHY's and HOW's of fatherlessness and lack of positive male role models for eons! Could be the 'War on Drugs' has seen many nonviolent people locked up, could be the 'War on Poverty' incentivized not getting married and just pumping out babies, could be the Sexual Revolution made premarital sex less of a taboo, could be that certain public schools are absolute shitholes where nobody is able to learn anything they're just trying to survive.


All those things can and should be discussed, as should militarization of the police force but the agenda put forth by Colin Kaepernick and BLM is a lot more than just "end police killings".....also SOME uses of force and even uses of lethal force are absolutely justified. A fellow I went to high school with was killed by the police and I've got to say the guy EARNED it...you cannot bodyslam a policewoman, show no effects of being tazered by that officer and then expect to not receive live rounds. The guy was always a nice person to me, I never had issue 1 with him or he with me and yeah it's sad he left the world with so much life left to live. I wonder had a MALE officer been first on the scene would the guy still be alive? That's also an issue to discuss.....women I'm sure will perceive life threatening events differently than men.

There is an idea among certain people that officers can "shoot to wound/maim" and that's just wrong a gun is a deadly weapon and when it is drawn the holder of that weapon should be thinking "once I pull this trigger someone WILL die" not COULD die, not MIGHT die, WILL die. So education in what law enforcement officers face is also something to think about.


It frustrates me so much that there's a wholehearted push for Communism under the guise of "these cops are evil and they are murdering young black men" .....it's infuriating to me because it glosses over the real issue to promote the worst bullshit possible which is Communism and if you're really worried about police violence, Communism ain't the route you want to go.

My fixes
1. 2 parent households & more unified communities who watch after youthful members of their community regardless of color
2. education (of civilians and police)
3. jobs, people with good jobs don't typically commit violent crimes or commit to a life of crime
4. more controlled interactions between police and civilians. more situations in day to day life where police aren't seen as the enemy and don't negatively impact the groups they're supposed to 'protect & serve'