KING VS KONG - Wilder vs Ortiz 2

[Gandalf]

Wilder has no skill as a boxer, but he does have tremendous power. If only Ortiz had a touch of Toney in that chin, he was winning that fight easily. Wilder has become a bit boring to watch now as whenever he faces a decent opponent he finds himself down and then landing a hail mary. Certainly no Tyson or Ali despite thinking he is. Those two could actually box.

[powerpuncher]

Wilder is an anomaly. Who else has been able to get to the top with basically just a right hand? Fortunately for him, the HW division is generally weak. I just think about some good eras of HWs and how he wouldn’t have lasted. But good for him for doing what he needs to every fight.

[palmerq]

Oh nice Nicaraguan skeletor has a brother is also world champ, twins as concurrent world Champs is a pretty nice niche achievement.

Also did anyone know that 44years ago today! That alexis arguello became the first Nicaraguan boxing world champion?? I do because they mentioned it.... Alot.....

[Alpha]

Oh nice Nicaraguan skeletor has a brother is also world champ, twins as concurrent world Champs is a pretty nice niche achievement.

Also did anyone know that 44years ago today! That alexis arguello became the first Nicaraguan boxing world champion?? I do because they mentioned it.... Alot.....

Yea his brother was set for a unification but had to pull out.

[TitoFan]

The chants will continue about Wilder being a no good boxer while he continues to rack up the wins.

Not claiming he's the second coming of Ali..... but tonight I just think he was too tentative and waiting for Ortiz to tire and give him an opening.

The right hand he knocked Ortiz out with was a thing of beauty. Not the Atomic Windmill everyone always makes fun of him about.

[powerpuncher]

The chants will continue about Wilder being a no good boxer while he continues to rack up the wins.

Not claiming he's the second coming of Ali..... but tonight I just think he was too tentative and waiting for Ortiz to tire and give him an opening.

The right hand he knocked Ortiz out with was a thing of beauty. Not the Atomic Windmill everyone always makes fun of him about.

I think it’s safe to say that he has perfected what he is trying to do. He is doing what he needs to with this crop of HWs.

[Gandalf]

I feel bad for Ortiz though. He did all the work and got a bit sloppy. When you have won half the fight, you can be sneaky and kill a little time here and there. He didn't need to put himself in that position, but easier said than done in the hear of the moment. Could have taken a walk, but took a little nap.

Makes me think Tyson Fury gets it done better next time. Wilder has no intention of trying to win rounds anymore.

[powerpuncher]

I feel bad for Ortiz though. He did all the work and got a bit sloppy. When you have won half the fight, you can be sneaky and kill a little time here and there. He didn't need to put himself in that position, but easier said than done in the hear of the moment. Could have taken a walk, but took a little nap.

Makes me think Tyson Fury gets it done better next time. Wilder has no intention of trying to win rounds anymore.

I think the Fury rematch will be the same. The only question is whether or not Fury will get up from a knockdown or not.

[TitoFan]

I feel bad for Ortiz though. He did all the work and got a bit sloppy. When you have won half the fight, you can be sneaky and kill a little time here and there. He didn't need to put himself in that position, but easier said than done in the hear of the moment. Could have taken a walk, but took a little nap.

Makes me think Tyson Fury gets it done better next time. Wilder has no intention of trying to win rounds anymore.

On the other hand, Wilder can afford to be less tentative against Fury a second time around, with Fury being nowhere as dangerous a hitter as Ortiz. Wilder will engage more and not be content giving away rounds. And contrary to popular belief, Wilder is capable of throwing a straight right hand. I just hope Fury doesn't get sidetracked by another "juicy contract" or suffers another cut before the rematch.

[Spicoli]

I miss Holyfield. Guys today built like Winnie The Pooh or with less basics boxing than a Amazon warehouse are riding with all the glory.

[powerpuncher]

I miss Holyfield. Guys today built like Winnie The Pooh or with less basics boxing than a Amazon warehouse are riding with all the glory.

Unfortunately we don’t have guys like that in the division. That is Wilder’s kryptonite. Someone who has boxing ability that has a good chin and heart. Fortunately for Wilder, he hasn’t run into that yet (other than arguably Fury).

[Fenster]

I miss Holyfield. Guys today built like Winnie The Pooh or with less basics boxing than a Amazon warehouse are riding with all the glory.

Unfortunately we don’t have guys like that in the division. That is Wilder’s kryptonite. Someone who has boxing ability that has a good chin and heart. Fortunately for Wilder, he hasn’t run into that yet (other than arguably Fury).

Imagine a prime Ray Mercer or Oliver McCall, they beat Wilder 10 out of 10. David Tua smokes him. Vitali murders him. There's literally a dozen solid heavyweights of the past 20 years who would beat him.

He's been "gifted" with one special attribute and been expertly "guided" to this position.

[TitoFan]

All I know is Wilder took on the dangerous Luis Ortiz again and this time knocked him out. He was definitely losing the fight and his inactivity was bewildering, but I think it was a mixture of respect for Ortiz's power and boxing ability, and maybe just waiting for the opening to happen. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't fight a Fury rematch the same way. He also talked like a decent human being today, not the bumbling inappropriate fool he has often sounded like. You gotta give respect when respect is merited. I also miss the previous generation of boxers who actually had better boxing skills (and looked like athletes, not Pillsbury dough boys).... but what can you do. I'm just glad we're over the Klitschko era, where every fight was a chloroforming affair (for the fans) and heavyweight boxing lost fans in droves. Since Wlad lost to Joshua, we've had exciting fights, and the division has been the better for it. The current crop may be inferior to the Lennoxes, Holyfields, and Mike Tysons of the past.... but they're evenly matched between themselves and, as long as they manage to continue meeting each other in the ring..... we should be in for some more good fights in the future.

[Ron Swanson]

Well Tito, fans have made it clear ducking Wilder will not just be allowed but come with praise. So don’t be too optimistic that we get the fights.

[Yuzo]

I feel bad for Ortiz though. He did all the work and got a bit sloppy. When you have won half the fight, you can be sneaky and kill a little time here and there. He didn't need to put himself in that position, but easier said than done in the hear of the moment. Could have taken a walk, but took a little nap.

Makes me think Tyson Fury gets it done better next time. Wilder has no intention of trying to win rounds anymore.

i think a lot of guys dont see wilder's right hand. because fury was moving, wilder had to hop in to hit him with a right hand, and he never got to just comfortably time it like he did with ortiz, and so many of the other guys he fought. if wilder is only thinking about getting his timing to be right, and unlike everybody else, actually boxing, then that means he eventually is going to find it if you let him. in other words, he can lose all the rounds but if he was never forced out of his pace, the thing that really mattered, then it means in that whole time he was being allowed to comfortably figure out his timing, and, since that is the only thing he is thinking about, eventually find it.

ortiz won all those rounds but he never forced wilder out of his pace so wilder had all that time to find the only thing he was looking for and he found it.

what made fury hard to fight was he never stayed in front of wilder. so if wilder wanted to land a right hand he had to close distance first before he could throw one. thats why he missed so many right hands. that little hop in that he had to do to close the distance to land his right hand is what tipped fury off. since its the only punch wilder throws, its the only punch fury has to think about, and, most importantly to my mind, if he does get hit, he knew it was coming. he in a way "sees" it, if that makes sense. thats why he got up and ortiz didnt. ortiz never saw it because he never knew it was already coming.

and thats what wilder's power is. if you can take that away you can take the power away.