Why does Wilder continue to get so much flak?

[Gandalf]

Actually on re-watching it I think the referee was far too quick to call it off. Ortiz was not out like Fury, did get up, and had a full minute or so between rounds to evaluate where he was at. I think it was a premature stoppage.

[Mark TKO]

Actually on re-watching it I think the referee was far too quick to call it off. Ortiz was not out like Fury, did get up, and had a full minute or so between rounds to evaluate where he was at. I think it was a premature stoppage.

I said the same about Herol Graham v Julian Jackson

[Gandalf]

Actually on re-watching it I think the referee was far too quick to call it off. Ortiz was not out like Fury, did get up, and had a full minute or so between rounds to evaluate where he was at. I think it was a premature stoppage.

I said the same about Herol Graham v Julian Jackson

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Graham was old cold, Ortiz was a bit like Fury in that he was nowhere for a couple of seconds, then putting his mouth piece in and getting up, he was regaining his senses pretty quickly. Another 90 seconds and who knows. They could have stopped it between rounds if Ortiz was really bad. He was hardly Hatton'ed. He was doing his post fight interviews and all of that. I am a benefit of the doubt kind of person. This ref would have held Fury down or something.

[Master]

Ortiz reminded me of Tyson trying to put his gum shield back into his mouth when he lost against Buster Douglas. He was “out if it” and was in no fit state to carry on.

[Mark TKO]

Wilder talks bollocks we all know that - I don't really pay any attention. A lot of fighters talk bollocks its part of the game.

Wilder fights to his strengths and at the moment its working for him so I'm not going to slate him. His record speaks for itself - yes there are tomato cans along the way but who hasn't got those.

2020 will hopefully see him, Fury, AJ and Ruiz fight off - even if a couple of them lose against each other I think theres worth in them still fighting the others as the styles make it interesting.

There's not many fighters who don't get flak from knowledgeable fans so hey ho

[Fenster]

Wilder is still learning? Blimey. Even Manny Steward told him to just do what you do

[Fenster]

He gets "flak" from serious boxing nerds because he's the self-anointed greatest ever and his modern fanbase, who are gassed by viral clips of knockouts, have no idea how weak is resume is or how strong past greats were. Whether or not someone likes/hates him is irrelevant, anyone who thinks he's currently a "great" is clueless and anyone who thinks he's toilet is clueless.

The facts are - He's literally beat ONE man who could've been a possible top 10 contender in previous eras - Ortiz. A man who in this modern era of multi titles not only failed to capture a title but hasn't defeated a single former titlist.

It's not "hate" to compare him with former fighters and it says nothing about Fury or Joshua to speculate who would have beat him. If anyone thinks Wilder could have knocked out Oliver McCall you DKSAB and that's a fact. So therefore he has to win on points, which takes skill, something Wilder abundantly lacks, hence losing the majority of rounds against his two credible opponents.

[Kirkland Laing]

Let's not forget he already lost to a big fat not ready for primetime Fury. It's only because the heavyweight division is so poor that he's champ and he's such an unappealing character that that annoys the hell out of a lot of people too. There's an awful lot not to like about him as a person and about his boxing skills. But he does have that right hand. Keep knocking people out and it quiets the arguments to a large extent. Anybody with decent skills who can stay out of the way of the right hand for twelve rounds can beat him easily. It's going to happen at some point. Could be Fury, could be Usyk, could be some replacement scrub who comes in at short notice and has the night of his life. Somebody is going to make him look stupid at some point.

[Ron Swanson]

“Sources” have it at 2500 PPV sales. Sure that’s stupid but people are running with it

We should have a thread just titled “sources” where we bring the stupid lies “sources” are spreading

[Fatboxingfan]

Y do Swanson get those so much flak too?