Why does Wilder continue to get so much flak?

[Fatboxingfan]

"He has only got a right hand, can't really hit with his left at all, came to boxing late, little amateur grounding, laughably clumsy, no skills. Carefully managed against bums on the way up. Heavyweight division is so weak, he can defend against people who wouldn't even be contenders usually"

No, not Wilder ...... that's what they were saying about Rocky Marciano during his reign

I actually think that Marciano is overrated. He’s another one of those anomalies. He was hardly a HW and his top wins were all against former light HWs (Charles, Walcott, and Moore).

Although Marciano did learn to throw his left better later in his career. He also had intangibles that Wilder doesn’t have. Both have great right hands, but Marciano had a granite chin and his toughness brought him to the top as much as his right hand did. I think that if Wilder showed the chin and toughness as Marciano, we would all be more willing to anoint him an elite fighter.

@Fatboxingfan , do you have anything to say about that statement mon ami? because I know how much like you the Rocky Marciano pugilist!

Yes mon ami I've.

One Number: those point about "former LHWs" -- is ridicule because Evander Holyfield was also former LHW, so what that's point? Second on that's same point: ALL those guy mentioned (Walcott, Charles, Moore) ALL OUTWEIGHED Marciano, in some cases by 20 pounds (Walcott weighed in at 198 those morning of the fight, but weighed 206 by fight time that night) Marciano weighed in at 184, that's 22 pounds difference! A massive quantite! And 37 years YOUNG Joe Louis -- 37 year!! Why is that old for a Heavyweight? Joe Louis won ALL 7 ROUNDS WITH HIS JAB AND STRAIGHT RIGHT AGAINST MARCIANO, 37 is not old. Foreman fighted until 49. Klitschasko until 41. Hollyfield until 45.

Two Number:


Rex Layne (34-1, 23 KOs), Lee Savold (104-35, 40 KOs) and Harry "Kid" Matthews (81-3, 33 KOs) were Top 5 ranked by Ring Magazine in 1951. Two outweighed Marciano by 25 pounds. And were same age as Marciano. Savold, Layne and Matthews nowadays would give ANY heavbyweight fits, fighting off the back foot and lateral movement, and great power and chins. Nobody talking about Rex Layne and Kid Matthews. Here is what that's Marciano did to they:

SKIP TO 7:30 OF THIS VIDEO, UPDATED HD 16 mm TRANSFER, MADISON SQUARE GARDEN, 1952, MATTHEWS FIGHTING LIKE MAX SCHMELING-- Marcinao ALREADY had his left hand working, as you will see from 7:30, not "later in his career" but early on. Watch from 7:30

[Primo Carnera]

"He has only got a right hand, can't really hit with his left at all, came to boxing late, little amateur grounding, laughably clumsy, no skills. Carefully managed against bums on the way up. Heavyweight division is so weak, he can defend against people who wouldn't even be contenders usually"

No, not Wilder ...... that's what they were saying about Rocky Marciano during his reign

I actually think that Marciano is overrated. He’s another one of those anomalies. He was hardly a HW and his top wins were all against former light HWs (Charles, Walcott, and Moore).

Although Marciano did learn to throw his left better later in his career. He also had intangibles that Wilder doesn’t have. Both have great right hands, but Marciano had a granite chin and his toughness brought him to the top as much as his right hand did. I think that if Wilder showed the chin and toughness as Marciano, we would all be more willing to anoint him an elite fighter.

@Fatboxingfan , do you have anything to say about that statement mon ami? because I know how much like you the Rocky Marciano pugilist!

Yes mon ami I've.

One Number: those point about "former LHWs" -- is ridicule because Evander Holyfield was also former LHW, so what that's point? Second on that's same point: ALL those guy mentioned (Walcott, Charles, Moore) ALL OUTWEIGHED Marciano, in some cases by 20 pounds (Walcott weighed in at 198 those morning of the fight, but weighed 206 by fight time that night) Marciano weighed in at 184, that's 22 pounds difference! A massive quantite! And 37 years YOUNG Joe Louis -- 37 year!! Why is that old for a Heavyweight? Joe Louis won ALL 7 ROUNDS WITH HIS JAB AND STRAIGHT RIGHT AGAINST MARCIANO, 37 is not old. Foreman fighted until 49. Klitschasko until 41. Hollyfield until 45.

Two Number:


Rex Layne (34-1, 23 KOs), Lee Savold (104-35, 40 KOs) and Harry "Kid" Matthews (81-3, 33 KOs) were Top 5 ranked by Ring Magazine in 1951. Two outweighed Marciano by 25 pounds. And were same age as Marciano. Savold, Layne and Matthews nowadays would give ANY heavbyweight fits, fighting off the back foot and lateral movement, and great power and chins. Nobody talking about Rex Layne and Kid Matthews. Here is what that's Marciano did to they:

SKIP TO 7:30 OF THIS VIDEO, UPDATED HD 16 mm TRANSFER, MADISON SQUARE GARDEN, 1952, MATTHEWS FIGHTING LIKE MAX SCHMELING-- Marcinao ALREADY had his left hand working, as you will see from 7:30, not "later in his career" but early on. Watch from 7:30

Je suis D’accord mon ami. Mange tout! As Del Boy would say.

[Fatboxingfan]

Wilder is continue to getting so many FLAK because he probablement cannot fighting liek THIS:

[Master]

Number One: Evander Holyfield was never Light Heavyweight champion he was the undisputed Cruiserweight champion.

Number Two: When Joe Louis fought Rocky at 37 years of age that was old for a fighter in those days because he fought more often, against harder opposition and was losing most of his fights at the end of his career.

Number Three: Archie Moore was a great light heavyweight and at 38 years of age still managed to knock down Rocky as did Walcott.

[Fatboxingfan]

Number One: Evander Holyfield was never Light Heavyweight champion he was the undisputed Cruiserweight champion.

Number Two: When Joe Louis fought Rocky at 37 years of age that was old for a fighter in those days because he fought more often, against harder opposition and was losing most of his fights at the end of his career.

Number Three: Archie Moore was a great light heavyweight and at 38 years of age still managed to knock down Rocky as did Walcott.

Master,

Number one, I didn't say Evander Holyfield had to be the champion of the light heavyweights I said he started out at 175 just like ezzard Charles and Archie Moore started out in that posters point I responded to. he was trying to say they started out so small and that therefore it was not such a big challenge for Marciano.

number two Joe Louis had only lost one time when he fought Rocky Marciano so I don't know what you mean by he was losing a lot at the end of his career. I will give you this that 37 years old back then for some reason was considered ancient. I still think 37 is not so old at all for a heavyweight no matter what era we are talkin about

Number three when have I ever disputed that Archie Moore was great? He's knocked down of Marciano is picture perfect. Marciano throws a wild and amateurish overhand right which which Archie more gracefully steps back just a few inches from and then fires a beautiful and picture perfect counter right hook sort of upper cut right on the button of Marciano's chin. Credit to Rocky Marciano for getting up at the count of two because that sharpshot marcio did not even see coming. he shook that punch off and I think he won the rest of the round and then he knocked moore down in the following around I believe for the first of four knockdowns.

[TIC]

marciano is lucky he ran away before liston got him

[powerpuncher]

marciano is lucky he ran away before liston got him

Floyd Patterson was before Liston and Marciano would have knocked out Patterson. Patterson was a great boxer but had an awful chin. Even if Marciano fought for a little bit longer, I doubt he would have fought long enough to meet Liston in the ring.