Why does Wilder continue to get so much flak?

[Master]

Number One: Evander Holyfield was never Light Heavyweight champion he was the undisputed Cruiserweight champion.

Number Two: When Joe Louis fought Rocky at 37 years of age that was old for a fighter in those days because he fought more often, against harder opposition and was losing most of his fights at the end of his career.

Number Three: Archie Moore was a great light heavyweight and at 38 years of age still managed to knock down Rocky as did Walcott.

[Fatboxingfan]

Number One: Evander Holyfield was never Light Heavyweight champion he was the undisputed Cruiserweight champion.

Number Two: When Joe Louis fought Rocky at 37 years of age that was old for a fighter in those days because he fought more often, against harder opposition and was losing most of his fights at the end of his career.

Number Three: Archie Moore was a great light heavyweight and at 38 years of age still managed to knock down Rocky as did Walcott.

Master,

Number one, I didn't say Evander Holyfield had to be the champion of the light heavyweights I said he started out at 175 just like ezzard Charles and Archie Moore started out in that posters point I responded to. he was trying to say they started out so small and that therefore it was not such a big challenge for Marciano.

number two Joe Louis had only lost one time when he fought Rocky Marciano so I don't know what you mean by he was losing a lot at the end of his career. I will give you this that 37 years old back then for some reason was considered ancient. I still think 37 is not so old at all for a heavyweight no matter what era we are talkin about

Number three when have I ever disputed that Archie Moore was great? He's knocked down of Marciano is picture perfect. Marciano throws a wild and amateurish overhand right which which Archie more gracefully steps back just a few inches from and then fires a beautiful and picture perfect counter right hook sort of upper cut right on the button of Marciano's chin. Credit to Rocky Marciano for getting up at the count of two because that sharpshot marcio did not even see coming. he shook that punch off and I think he won the rest of the round and then he knocked moore down in the following around I believe for the first of four knockdowns.

[TIC]

marciano is lucky he ran away before liston got him

[powerpuncher]

marciano is lucky he ran away before liston got him

Floyd Patterson was before Liston and Marciano would have knocked out Patterson. Patterson was a great boxer but had an awful chin. Even if Marciano fought for a little bit longer, I doubt he would have fought long enough to meet Liston in the ring.

[TIC]

marciano is lucky he ran away before liston got him

Floyd Patterson was before Liston and Marciano would have knocked out Patterson. Patterson was a great boxer but had an awful chin. Even if Marciano fought for a little bit longer, I doubt he would have fought long enough to meet Liston in the ring.

marciano retired at 31. in this very thread someone is saying "i still think 37 is not so old at all for a heavyweight no matter what era we are talkin about". liston harmed his career with his battles against the law that kept him out of the ring for two years. he returned in 1958 and by 1960 was ranked number one contender. marciano had been retired almost five years by then. guy was happy to beat up old men. liston would have beat him bad in 1956 or 57 if ever given the chance. and you are right, marciano would have knocked out patterson

[Fatboxingfan]

Marciano would have dogged the piss out of Liston. Broke ribs from underneath. How was Liston going to land his jab with Marciano leaning back and to his right? Marciano would slip that jab 4 out of 5 times. Then step in inside Liston reach, and nail his left ring cage with Suzie Q.

[TIC]

Marciano would have dogged the piss out of Liston. Broke ribs from underneath. How was Liston going to land his jab with Marciano leaning back and to his right? Marciano would slip that jab 4 out of 5 times. Then step in inside Liston reach, and nail his left ring cage with Suzie Q.

liston would go through marciano like a laxative