Gervonta Davis v Yuriorkis Gamboa

[Alpha]

Didn't we already have a prime puncher against an old Cuban last week?

[Ron Swanson]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

[Spicoli]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

Best case scenario Gamboa shows up and is capable of shocking the world. I think the Crawford fight gets a bit overstated as its not like he was ever in any serious jeopardy other than some showy shots being landed on a coasting Crawford who we'd see do nothing but dominate until then. Fairness to the build and Inoue fight they were making the best of a secondary situation, namely Tete pulling out of Donaire fight resulting in a basic pass but he also managed to bring a belt along for the fight. Right off Crawford fight Gamboa was being thrashed to a koby Castalleno.

[Alpha]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

Over roughly the last year Donaire had got a win over a unified belt holder, Gamboa best win was a shot to pieces Martinez. I don't Inoue at #1 P4P, but he is up there and it has nothing to do with the Donaire fight. If anything he slipped a little, but he did fight with an injury and won pretty clear, although taking a fair amount of punishment.

[powerpuncher]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

Over roughly the last year Donaire had got a win over a unified belt holder, Gamboa best win was a shot to pieces Martinez. I don't Inoue at #1 P4P, but he is up there and it has nothing to do with the Donaire fight. If anything he slipped a little, but he did fight with an injury and won pretty clear, although taking a fair amount of punishment.

Donaire went back down in weight where he belonged and showed that he still had something left in the tank. He starting losing when he went up in weight. But like Alpha said, if anything, Inoue slipped a little from how I saw him. He did fracture his orbital in the second or third round I think so he did well considering that.

Gamboa isn’t a push over, but he hasn’t proven anything as of late that he has rejuvenated his career. I do think that Gamboa is a live dog, but the difference is that Inoue fought top contenders in previous bouts. Tank has not.

I thought Wilder bearing Ortiz was a good win. His age gets overstated. Ortiz hasn’t really shown his age in his fights. Ever since I first watched him fight, he hasn’t really changed. The only thing you could say is maybe his chin is weaker with age but that’s just speculation.

[Alpha]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

Over roughly the last year Donaire had got a win over a unified belt holder, Gamboa best win was a shot to pieces Martinez. I don't Inoue at #1 P4P, but he is up there and it has nothing to do with the Donaire fight. If anything he slipped a little, but he did fight with an injury and won pretty clear, although taking a fair amount of punishment.

Donaire went back down in weight where he belonged and showed that he still had something left in the tank. He starting losing when he went up in weight. But like Alpha said, if anything, Inoue slipped a little from how I saw him. He did fracture his orbital in the second or third round I think so he did well considering that.

Gamboa isn’t a push over, but he hasn’t proven anything as of late that he has rejuvenated his career. I do think that Gamboa is a live dog, but the difference is that Inoue fought top contenders in previous bouts. Tank has not.

I thought Wilder bearing Ortiz was a good win. His age gets overstated. Ortiz hasn’t really shown his age in his fights. Ever since I first watched him fight, he hasn’t really changed. The only thing you could say is maybe his chin is weaker with age but that’s just speculation.

Ortiz was a good win, he was a top 10 guy. It would be a stretch to get Gamboa in the top 10 at 135. Also after today, I'm confident in saying Donaire would have beaten Tete. Lets have Inoue vs Oubaali and Donaire vs Casimero.

[powerpuncher]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

Over roughly the last year Donaire had got a win over a unified belt holder, Gamboa best win was a shot to pieces Martinez. I don't Inoue at #1 P4P, but he is up there and it has nothing to do with the Donaire fight. If anything he slipped a little, but he did fight with an injury and won pretty clear, although taking a fair amount of punishment.

Donaire went back down in weight where he belonged and showed that he still had something left in the tank. He starting losing when he went up in weight. But like Alpha said, if anything, Inoue slipped a little from how I saw him. He did fracture his orbital in the second or third round I think so he did well considering that.

Gamboa isn’t a push over, but he hasn’t proven anything as of late that he has rejuvenated his career. I do think that Gamboa is a live dog, but the difference is that Inoue fought top contenders in previous bouts. Tank has not.

I thought Wilder bearing Ortiz was a good win. His age gets overstated. Ortiz hasn’t really shown his age in his fights. Ever since I first watched him fight, he hasn’t really changed. The only thing you could say is maybe his chin is weaker with age but that’s just speculation.

Ortiz was a good win, he was a top 10 guy. It would be a stretch to get Gamboa in the top 10 at 135. Also after today, I'm confident in saying Donaire would have beaten Tete. Lets have Inoue vs Oubaali and Donaire vs Casimero.

I assumed that they would put Inoue against Casimero. A very winnable fight that is against a title holder

[Fenster]

Donaire is in a different stratosphere to Gamboa and Ortiz, not just the fact he was still a current highly rated "world" champion but his past accomplishments. He was underrated against Inoue. Boxing fans are too quick to write off proven world-class fighters. Class is permanent.

Donaire - four weight "world" champion, Ring Belt Champion, defeated thirteen former/future "world" champions, 2012 Fighter of the Year, 2007 Upset of the Year, 2007, 2011 KO of the Year, spent four years concurrent top six P4P rated (Ring). First Ballot HOF. Fact.

Gamboa - former featherweight "world" champion, defeated 6 former "world" champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

Ortiz - ZERO x "world" champion, defeated ZERO former/current champions. No chance HOF. Fact.

[Ron Swanson]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

Over roughly the last year Donaire had got a win over a unified belt holder, Gamboa best win was a shot to pieces Martinez. I don't Inoue at #1 P4P, but he is up there and it has nothing to do with the Donaire fight. If anything he slipped a little, but he did fight with an injury and won pretty clear, although taking a fair amount of punishment.

Well, by many accounts Inoue moved up precisely off this fight. I don’t lower him at all. He’s been high with me and stays high with me. I just want him to learn some defense or he will get KOed before too long. Well, not now that he’s with TR because their matchmaker is the best in the business. But his defense is too leaky to have his chin in the air as he does.

Same weight as Rigo now right, hmmm

[Alpha]

Interesting that with Ortiz it’s old old old, not good. With Gamboa it’s old old old, not talented. But with Donaire all I hear is good good good. On the downside, but good. I don’t know what it says but it’s interesting. I don’t know what’s different in these scenarios, just catches my eye that 3 very similar situations are looked at so vastly differently. I mean, Inoue has become number 1 P4P off beating a guy of equal age. Because the old guy gave him hell. What if Gamboa gives Tank hell? He gave Crawford some major issues. Sure that was a long time ago but we could say “Donaire gave Rigo no issues at all, long ago”

I’m hoping for a good fight and Tank to move on to bigger things, it’s time if he has it in him.

Over roughly the last year Donaire had got a win over a unified belt holder, Gamboa best win was a shot to pieces Martinez. I don't Inoue at #1 P4P, but he is up there and it has nothing to do with the Donaire fight. If anything he slipped a little, but he did fight with an injury and won pretty clear, although taking a fair amount of punishment.

Well, by many accounts Inoue moved up precisely off this fight. I don’t lower him at all. He’s been high with me and stays high with me. I just want him to learn some defense or he will get KOed before too long. Well, not now that he’s with TR because their matchmaker is the best in the business. But his defense is too leaky to have his chin in the air as he does.

Same weight as Rigo now right, hmmm

I can only speak for myself. Before the Donaire fight I had Inoue right on Usyk's heals. As of now there's a bit of breathing room. Like I said, he's up there, he's 3 divisions north of where he started and who knows who Donaire would be seen had he stayed at 118. Is Rigo still fighting Solis at 118 or has that fight fallen through? Rigo was always small at 122 for me, but for Inoue it would be another fight where if he struggles at all, you will get the casuals claiming he was exposed, overrated etc. I think it would be another good fight and another good name on Inoue's record, but there are also other good fights to be made for Inoue at 118.