Austerity

[Gandalf]

Poverty can be caused for a variety of reason not just single parents. Low income, unemployment, mental/physical health, debt, substance misuse, lack of opportunity, which can put you in this cycle of deprivation. Most people do not choose to live in poverty and it is not always there fault.

The government should help the most vulnerable in society.

Low income? One of the highest minimum wages in the world where you can buy fresh salad for a quid and rent pretty reasonably provided you don't have half a dozen children.
Unemployment? Not exactly soaring and many won't work and that is on them.
Mental health? Most can overcome with discipline, but much of it is caused by bad childhoods.
Physical health? You exercise and eat properly, but sure we help the disabled.
Substance misuse? You have to taper and quit, work on your demons. Most likely to be from a single parent household statistically.
Lack of opportunity? Nobody is stopping you and that is where it is all about nurture and guidance and if it is missing then it causes problems. The solution is to choose a good partner and only be a parent if and when you are ready to be a good one. A good parent will always nurture and guide. A poor parent won't and we just don't seem willing to have that conversation.

Plus the government DOES help people who struggle already. What do you think the NHS is? Or schooling? Or welfare? You even have government covering rents for many. There has been too much support and not enough truth telling to those who really are causing many of those issues you mention.

[Master]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

[Gandalf]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

I have no qualms with welfare being cut, but not for the disabled. I don't agree with that.

According to data I have looked at the NHS is not underfunded, it is just overused. You are talking about a population possibly 10 million bigger in a couple of decades and a population that has got pretty chunky bringing with it its own problems. It is creaking at the seams because of Labour and Tory and it is because nobody wants to control the borders. Ask Fenster about the emergency room. I was reading that massive numbers of students are now foreign as the migrants have children too. What do you expect exactly? Shut the borders and you can regain control, but until then it is a lost cause.

Yes, it is very difficult to get out of a situation where some groups have 70% of kids with no father figure. It shouldn't happen. In moderation it is fine, but at those numbers and taught in school that it is normal. Well, that is no enabler of prosperity.

[Master]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

I have no qualms with welfare being cut, but not for the disabled. I don't agree with that.

According to data I have looked at the NHS is not underfunded, it is just overused. You are talking about a population possibly 10 million bigger in a couple of decades and a population that has got pretty chunky bringing with it its own problems. It is creaking at the seams because of Labour and Tory and it is because nobody wants to control the borders. Ask Fenster about the emergency room. I was reading that massive numbers of students are now foreign as the migrants have children too. What do you expect exactly? Shut the borders and you can regain control, but until then it is a lost cause.

Yes, it is very difficult to get out of a situation where some groups have 70% of kids with no father figure. It shouldn't happen. In moderation it is fine, but at those numbers and taught in school that it is normal. Well, that is no enabler of prosperity.

The NHS is a victim of its own success and has kept people healthy and living longer. Therefore it will have more people using it. The biggest addition is social care particularly for the elderly which requires adequate funding.

It is less about open borders, obesity and single parents which is your ‘go to’ response on every one of these types of threads. People can prosper in spite of these circumstances but it is not easy and takes time.

[Gandalf]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

I have no qualms with welfare being cut, but not for the disabled. I don't agree with that.

According to data I have looked at the NHS is not underfunded, it is just overused. You are talking about a population possibly 10 million bigger in a couple of decades and a population that has got pretty chunky bringing with it its own problems. It is creaking at the seams because of Labour and Tory and it is because nobody wants to control the borders. Ask Fenster about the emergency room. I was reading that massive numbers of students are now foreign as the migrants have children too. What do you expect exactly? Shut the borders and you can regain control, but until then it is a lost cause.

Yes, it is very difficult to get out of a situation where some groups have 70% of kids with no father figure. It shouldn't happen. In moderation it is fine, but at those numbers and taught in school that it is normal. Well, that is no enabler of prosperity.

The NHS is a victim of its own success and has kept people healthy and living longer. Therefore it will have more people using it. The biggest addition is social care particularly for the elderly which requires adequate funding.

It is less about open borders, obesity and single parents which is your ‘go to’ response on every one of these types of threads. People can prosper in spite of these circumstances but it is not easy and takes time.

If it is so successful then why are so many people using it and looking how they do? It looks to be failing IMO.

Yes, people can prosper and again that is my entire point too. But it is far more difficult when you are disadvantaged. My issue with single parenthood and open borders is that it makes it harder on those who are not exceptional. There are millions of people in any society who do not have an IQ of even 90. For them to stand any chance I would be protectionist and also encourage good behaviour rather than poor behavior. Like the video I posted argued, those without an education are far more likely to become single parents. They tend not to be as smart or able as the educated parents and are statistically more likely passing on bad habits.

If you really want to help then you have to be honest to people about how harmful it is rather than sugar coating all the time and many do it with the saint single Mum line which is often utterly phony. They chose poorly, did not plan or consider the child, raised scantily and it is taboo to call it out. I defend Johnson with his own comments which were true, but considered taboo in a warped culture. Many would agree with him though.

[Fatboxingfan]

Sugar coating will ultimately cause more harm in the long run as the double speak wears off, the truth comes out and then it is twice as bad.

[El Kabong]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve

[Master]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve

More funding for schools to recruit teachers would solve the problem.

[El Kabong]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve

More funding for schools to recruit teachers would solve the problem.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publi...comms/R150.pdf
otal spending on schools in England represented just under £42 billion in 2017–18 (in 2018–19 prices). This represents £4,700 per pupil at primary school and £6,200 per pupil at secondary school.

So just pour more money on the problem then? How much is "enough"? Is it a hard number or one of those "We'll know when we get there" situations?

And I only bring that up to say....


https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...nsus%20Bureau.
The amount spent per pupil for public elementary and secondary education (prekindergarten through 12th grade) for all 50 states and the District of Columbia increased by 3.7% to $12,201 per pupil during the 2017 fiscal year, compared to $11,763 per pupil in 2016, according to new tables released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.


We've got the exact same problem and JUST money ain't solving jack shit.....it would be lovely if it did, but it doesn't because if it did we'd see improvement due to increased spending, we haven't we've seen the opposite.

[Master]

The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.

[El Kabong]

The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.

Although spending by schools themselves has risen by 5% or £220 per pupil between
2009–10 and 2017–18, they have taken responsibility for many services previously provided
by local authorities, where spending has fallen by more than 50% or £650 per pupil.
Incorporating cuts to local authority spending and sixth-form funding, total school
spending per pupil has fallen by 8% in real terms over the same period and was only
about 14% higher in 2017–18 than in 2003–04.




Looks like the spending is on the rise, but spending on solely EDUCATION has fallen due to the schools being expected to provide more than just schooling (cradle to grave government socialism). Also the number of students is expected to rise quite a bit as well.


Families should be responsible for raising their children, they should house and feed and clothe and bathe and all the things PROVIDE for their children....I'd feel worthless if I couldn't do that for my family, but some people love that sweet life treating the social safety net like a hammock, I find it disgraceful.

[Gandalf]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve

More funding for schools to recruit teachers would solve the problem.

Teachers are leaving the UK to teach overseas in greater numbers where the conditions are much better. They have no desire to work in that environment and many drop out of public school teaching within a few years. It is a rough job, as is working in a hospital. These are not success stories, Master.

Where will you get the teachers from? You had them and they are leaving. Why would you want to have your life made hell in an inner city school when you could be in a more chilled international school where children are motivated? A teacher wants to help and make a difference, but not at the cost of their own sanity.

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...-refuge-abroad

[Gandalf]

And why do those teachers overseas seem so much happier? Because they are being teachers rather than substutute parents or social workers. Some of the stories in that article are horrific and it comes from parents having not raised their children well. It is so bad that the teachers won't do it anymore. I have a friend here who was going to go back home into public school teaching, he has totally backtracked on that having dome his research. A good teacher and for that matter an excellent father too. He would like to keep it that way.

[Gandalf]

Cannot spell on a phone either. Use just my thumb and it gets weird.