Austerity

[Master]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve

More funding for schools to recruit teachers would solve the problem.

[El Kabong]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve

More funding for schools to recruit teachers would solve the problem.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/publi...comms/R150.pdf
otal spending on schools in England represented just under £42 billion in 2017–18 (in 2018–19 prices). This represents £4,700 per pupil at primary school and £6,200 per pupil at secondary school.

So just pour more money on the problem then? How much is "enough"? Is it a hard number or one of those "We'll know when we get there" situations?

And I only bring that up to say....


https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...nsus%20Bureau.
The amount spent per pupil for public elementary and secondary education (prekindergarten through 12th grade) for all 50 states and the District of Columbia increased by 3.7% to $12,201 per pupil during the 2017 fiscal year, compared to $11,763 per pupil in 2016, according to new tables released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.


We've got the exact same problem and JUST money ain't solving jack shit.....it would be lovely if it did, but it doesn't because if it did we'd see improvement due to increased spending, we haven't we've seen the opposite.

[Master]

The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.

[El Kabong]

The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.

Although spending by schools themselves has risen by 5% or £220 per pupil between
2009–10 and 2017–18, they have taken responsibility for many services previously provided
by local authorities, where spending has fallen by more than 50% or £650 per pupil.
Incorporating cuts to local authority spending and sixth-form funding, total school
spending per pupil has fallen by 8% in real terms over the same period and was only
about 14% higher in 2017–18 than in 2003–04.




Looks like the spending is on the rise, but spending on solely EDUCATION has fallen due to the schools being expected to provide more than just schooling (cradle to grave government socialism). Also the number of students is expected to rise quite a bit as well.


Families should be responsible for raising their children, they should house and feed and clothe and bathe and all the things PROVIDE for their children....I'd feel worthless if I couldn't do that for my family, but some people love that sweet life treating the social safety net like a hammock, I find it disgraceful.

[Master]

The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.

Although spending by schools themselves has risen by 5% or £220 per pupil between
2009–10 and 2017–18, they have taken responsibility for many services previously provided
by local authorities, where spending has fallen by more than 50% or £650 per pupil.
Incorporating cuts to local authority spending and sixth-form funding, total school
spending per pupil has fallen by 8% in real terms over the same period and was only
about 14% higher in 2017–18 than in 2003–04.




Looks like the spending is on the rise, but spending on solely EDUCATION has fallen due to the schools being expected to provide more than just schooling (cradle to grave government socialism). Also the number of students is expected to rise quite a bit as well.


Families should be responsible for raising their children, they should house and feed and clothe and bathe and all the things PROVIDE for their children....I'd feel worthless if I couldn't do that for my family, but some people love that sweet life treating the social safety net like a hammock, I find it disgraceful.

So local authorities have been spending less because they have been given less by the government. Which is what austerity has caused. "Malnourished pupils with grey skin are "filling their pockets" with food from school canteens in poor areas due to poverty" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43611527

No one said families should not provide the basics for children but there are more families facing poverty and inequality has increased with austerity.

[El Kabong]

The report you cited said 'Education spending has since fallen in real terms as spending cuts began to take effect from 2010 onwards' which is because of austerity.

All parties including the instigators of under funding have said they will invest more to recruit more teachers, improve buildings and increase pay.

Although spending by schools themselves has risen by 5% or £220 per pupil between
2009–10 and 2017–18, they have taken responsibility for many services previously provided
by local authorities, where spending has fallen by more than 50% or £650 per pupil.
Incorporating cuts to local authority spending and sixth-form funding, total school
spending per pupil has fallen by 8% in real terms over the same period and was only
about 14% higher in 2017–18 than in 2003–04.




Looks like the spending is on the rise, but spending on solely EDUCATION has fallen due to the schools being expected to provide more than just schooling (cradle to grave government socialism). Also the number of students is expected to rise quite a bit as well.


Families should be responsible for raising their children, they should house and feed and clothe and bathe and all the things PROVIDE for their children....I'd feel worthless if I couldn't do that for my family, but some people love that sweet life treating the social safety net like a hammock, I find it disgraceful.

So local authorities have been spending less because they have been given less by the government. Which is what austerity has caused. "Malnourished pupils with grey skin are "filling their pockets" with food from school canteens in poor areas due to poverty" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43611527

No one said families should not provide the basics for children but there are more families facing poverty and inequality has increased with austerity.

Has immigration increased as well? Why does that not play a role here?

[Gandalf]

In terms of the hungry children, people like me and Brett Anderson used to have free school meals. We would have to feel the ignominy with our little peasant coupons, but you could eat chips, chicken burger, and even a chocolate eclair every single day washed down with a can of cherry coke. The government provided that and it was incredibly generous of them. It was still a Tory government too. Of course it was very bad for me and I now regret that kind of nutrition, but nobody taught you any better. But still, you cannot be starving when you eat that much even as one meal a day. Malnourished for sure, but calorie plenty. I could have obtained nutrition if I had learned what it was and how it would help me.

Thatcher might have taken the milk but the chips were in profligate abundance under Major.

[Gandalf]

That is the whole point of this thread that austerity has resulted in the government not supporting people who struggle.

NHS has been short staffed and underfunded, school classes are too big, lack of investment in teachers, police officer, transport, prisons and welfare benefits have been dramatically cut. The people who want to get out of their situation have a very difficult time.

Well that's something open borders will absolutely solve

More funding for schools to recruit teachers would solve the problem.

Teachers are leaving the UK to teach overseas in greater numbers where the conditions are much better. They have no desire to work in that environment and many drop out of public school teaching within a few years. It is a rough job, as is working in a hospital. These are not success stories, Master.

Where will you get the teachers from? You had them and they are leaving. Why would you want to have your life made hell in an inner city school when you could be in a more chilled international school where children are motivated? A teacher wants to help and make a difference, but not at the cost of their own sanity.

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...-refuge-abroad

[Gandalf]

And why do those teachers overseas seem so much happier? Because they are being teachers rather than substutute parents or social workers. Some of the stories in that article are horrific and it comes from parents having not raised their children well. It is so bad that the teachers won't do it anymore. I have a friend here who was going to go back home into public school teaching, he has totally backtracked on that having dome his research. A good teacher and for that matter an excellent father too. He would like to keep it that way.

[Gandalf]

Cannot spell on a phone either. Use just my thumb and it gets weird.

[Master]

Cannot spell on a phone either. Use just my thumb and it gets weird.

Teachers are leaving because the job has got harder with performance targets, ofsted, becoming a social worker, all for lower pay.

Austerity! Austerity! Austerity!

You were from a single parent family and did well. Stop blaming them!

[Beanz]

Notice how the two most vocal apologists for inhumane barbarity are two people who have not had to live under the regime they are defending for the last nine years. The arrogance and lack of humility or any kind of self awareness is not even shocking anymore, just routine getting on the soapbox and falling behind the broken American model they want to be forced onto everyone.

Its like a moral cesspit here, where ignorance and cruelty are celebrated.

[Gandalf]

Notice how the two most vocal apologists for inhumane barbarity are two people who have not had to live under the regime they are defending for the last nine years. The arrogance and lack of humility or any kind of self awareness is not even shocking anymore, just routine getting on the soapbox and falling behind the broken American model they want to be forced onto everyone.

Its like a moral cesspit here, where ignorance and cruelty are celebrated.

What is cruel about a FREE school meal? At least 1200 calories in what I would eat everyday and I would eat the same thing every day as I was quirky like that. Totally malnourished, but very full and no need for youth clubs as I had sports to burn the saturated fat off. When you have lived in a homeless shelter for 18 months you do actually have some idea of what a life of austerity is like. I know what poverty is Beanz and that is one reason I am so critical of parents who truly are feckless. There are many out there and we all know this and thus I think it is an act of CARING that we warn people about what it does.

If people thought about what they were doing and truly were altruistic they would not inflict barbarous cruelty upon the most vulnerable. I was homeless because my father drank his money away and then ran away from someone he was mad being involved with in the first place. That is cruelty. Typical loutish poor examples of parents. They inflicted their own austerity by choice.

I don't care too much for the adults, but for the children who have no choice and deserve far better than these people. Any child with loving parents who nurture and work and live within their means can do okay and avoid the pitfalls and I know many such people. I am reading a book now and it is extraordinary how child brains are warped by the environment they were raised in and it is almost always bad parents who either mistreat or runaway and then we wonder 'Why is there a mental health crisis?'. It is the Tories, they cry! No, it is usually closer to home.

The poor are more likely to make mistakes that the middle classes are more likely to avoid though it is not an absolute. And Master is right in that I do okay and that is because I have observed closely and reject that path. Self responsibility is the key to self improvement and in turn a life of reasonable quality.

[El Kabong]

Notice how the two most vocal apologists for inhumane barbarity are two people who have not had to live under the regime they are defending for the last nine years. The arrogance and lack of humility or any kind of self awareness is not even shocking anymore, just routine getting on the soapbox and falling behind the broken American model they want to be forced onto everyone.

Its like a moral cesspit here, where ignorance and cruelty are celebrated.

Yes yes how cruel and inhumane it is to expect parents to be parents instead of having the government assume those roles.

I think it's madness that society has just given up on so many people. That's what it is, they've given up. Society has apparently decided "Oh you are an absolute fuck up and can't hold down regular work, you can't feed your kids, you can't put a roof over their heads....that's ok the government will just assume your parental responsibilities and everyone else will be forced to pay for your failings"

Give up your responsibilities as a parent to the government.....it's selling your soul. I would DIE before I lived off of the government or allowed my family to do so. It is MY personal responsibility to provide for my family. Now I also try to help others when I can, but it's not just assuming responsibility from someone, it's a helping hand not just doing all the work for them....no lessons are learned if you just take responsibility away....but I'm cruel for that view? I'm ignorant for that? I lack morals for that? Unbelievable.

I'm not against people in true dire need getting help from the social safety net, that's why it's there....but to live your entire life in that safety net, that's fucking worthless, that's like I said selling your soul.

[Gandalf]

Cannot spell on a phone either. Use just my thumb and it gets weird.

Teachers are leaving because the job has got harder with performance targets, ofsted, becoming a social worker, all for lower pay.

Austerity! Austerity! Austerity!

You were from a single parent family and did well. Stop blaming them!

"Every word of this article resonates with me. I left teaching in the UK for a small international school in Brussels after nearly twenty years in the profession. That was pre-Gove but the stresses then were becoming intolerable and everyday I felt sick at the prospect of going into school, with its ridiculous targets, ludicrous workloads, unsupportive management and disaffected kids All the joy had gone out of the job. Teaching in Brussels I earned less than in the UK, but the cost of living was lower and quality of life far better. Class sizes at an average of 16 were less than half the size of those I'd had in the UK and the kids were delightful, motivated and respectful. The curriculum allowed one to teach, not just tick boxes, so teaching was fun again. Family circumstances brought me back to the UK and I returned briefly to teaching here, but got out as soon as I could. I'd advise any teacher to consider international education if their circumstances allow. They'll never regret it."

Has it been 20 years of austerity? This teacher takes it back way earlier than that and that is even the Guardians 'Pick Comment'.