Is Andy Ruiz's career over? (Physically AND mentally)

[Fatboxingfan]

So true Gandalf. But do you know what prefigures hard work and dedication and discipline? A person's mental health which they have developed from their childhood. If the state of their mental health is such that they just cannot get it together cognitively or emotionally, THEN THERE WILL NOT BE A DAMN BIT OF HARD WORK OR DISCIPLINE OR DEDICATION -- at least not enough to make much of a difference.

[mikeeod]

I wonder if he will go the way of Buster Douglas/Lamon Brewster/Jesse Furguson or Ray Mercer/Riddick Bowe/Roberto Duran. Douglas/Brewster/Furguson won their big fights, ate themselves out of shape losing rematches, and never ascended to that level again. Mercer/Bowe/Duran made a career out of fluctuating between coming to fight in great shape and being grossly out of shape and mailing in their training. Now that I think about it, James Toney fits into that camp as well.

What will hurt Ruiz is that now he will be avoided and worse- fans won’t be behind him anymore. If he comes back on great shape and loses a good fight, he can recover with the fans (if he even loses anything). The way he came in, he has zero sympathy.

[Fatboxingfan]

I wonder if he will go the way of Buster Douglas/Lamon Brewster/Jesse Furguson or Ray Mercer/Riddick Bowe/Roberto Duran. Douglas/Brewster/Furguson won their big fights, ate themselves out of shape losing rematches, and never ascended to that level again. Mercer/Bowe/Duran made a career out of fluctuating between coming to fight in great shape and being grossly out of shape and mailing in their training. Now that I think about it, James Toney fits into that camp as well.

What will hurt Ruiz is that now he will be avoided and worse- fans won’t be behind him anymore. If he comes back on great shape and loses a good fight, he can recover with the fans (if he even loses anything). The way he came in, he has zero sympathy.

Zero sympathy, and zero credibility. Eddie Mustafa Muhammad did something similar I believe.

[X]

The ONLY time you will see Ruiz’s name in the same sentence as Roberto Duran’s

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I wonder if he will go the way of Buster Douglas/Lamon Brewster/Jesse Furguson or Ray Mercer/Riddick Bowe/Roberto Duran. Douglas/Brewster/Furguson won their big fights, ate themselves out of shape losing rematches, and never ascended to that level again. Mercer/Bowe/Duran made a career out of fluctuating between coming to fight in great shape and being grossly out of shape and mailing in their training. Now that I think about it, James Toney fits into that camp as well.

What will hurt Ruiz is that now he will be avoided and worse- fans won’t be behind him anymore. If he comes back on great shape and loses a good fight, he can recover with the fans (if he even loses anything). The way he came in, he has zero sympathy.

[Fatboxingfan]

Haha good point hey there is one similarity though and that is that Roberto Duran used to like to gain 120 lb in between fights. he said his favorite food was ice-cream and he would literally eat gallons of the stuff in between fights yet somehow he would train and lose that 100 pounds for each fight. You have to admit actually that the no mas fight was quite a lot like that last fight with AJ and Louise

[Spicoli]

Of course it's not over. How long has it been since another American heavyweight has scored such a top tier significant win? If anything Ruiz may be handicapped by the ol risk-reward scenario now. But he's pulled the wool over many now because they point to the weight being his anchor..for sure but not entirely.. when in fact he came in the first fight at yet another career high of 268 if I'm not mistaken. Some contender will want that scalp and connection to 'one up' in relation to AJ and sleep on Andy being still very skilled and capable and that's all it takes to come back on. Douglas will go down as a trivia question but even he scrapped back after near death and was directly in the Roy Jones Jr heavyweight debut sweepstakes before his Pop came in and changed minds. It's the heavyweight division. If you made history, can take damage, have willing promotion and still tie your own boots you've got a lifetime position.

[TitoFan]

Someone who comes into a championship heavyweight fight in the conditions Ruiz did...... not much you can say to defend that.

That it caught him by surprise? Please. He may not be the brightest bulb in the box, but surely he's heard of Buster Douglas. He disrespected the sport and its fans. He may not be done... but fat chance (pardon the pun) I'll be rooting for his blubbery ass any time soon.

He had his moment in the sun, and who knows.... maybe that's all he needed/wanted. One thing for sure. He'll never have to pay for another all-you-can-eat taco fest for the rest of his rotund life.

[Fatboxingfan]

Tito, couldn't resist 🌮🌮🌮 (ahem!...).....

So yyyyyyyeah...... Andy Pandy Jack-a-Dandy may get himself into shape (250?? Even then....). May get motivated again ($25 million in the bank now..??). Hmmm....

I can see him hiring a personal trainer/weight loss guru, getting down to 240 (lean n mean hahaha) and making a bit of a comeback in summer 2020..... Against whom tho, I couldn't say. Maybe Povetkin? Cuz he better hit paydirt fast in his comeback, or else he'll just be written off should he lose or just squeak by in a snoozer.

Who would you, were you his trainer, put him in with for his next 2 fights?

[Gandalf]

Only for some, there are many people who overcame appalling childhoods. Charles Dickens springs readily to mind as does Oprah Winfrey. I am sure their scars bothered them, but it didn't hold them back.

Even mental illness is something that can be overcome. BPD is the mother of mental traumas and 75% of patients make big improvements in a year. All success is about discipline and hardwork and that includes overcoming childhood adversity.

Did Ruiz have a bad childhood or something? An inability to control weight is usually a sign of something deeper and to do it now? It suggests he has skill, some luck, but the hard work isn't quite enough.

[Alpha]

Ruiz will get another high level fight or 2. Will he win and be committed is another question. I think there are some fun fights he can be involved in. But it really does depend on his desire. Just following his opponent around and not letting his hands go (as he did with Parker) will generate the same results. I would like to see him against Kownacki, but there arre manny fights he can be competitive in, if he can focus and get down to business.

[Gandalf]

I think a change of team is needed too. It was okay with Calzaghe as Enzo was tough, but it seems Ruiz had it all his own way. I would go with Roach who knows what to do with aggressive fightere. Get the weight down and get those legs moving. The handspeed is great but you need a target cornered first.

[TIC]

another big cheque in ruiz's bank account isn't going to make it any easy for him to train properly. once he blows through his money he'll be back, in whatever shape is possible for a top up

[Fatboxingfan]

Guarantee you see Andy Ruiz at 400 pounds by this time next year already retired with an Andy Ruiz Mexican buffet restaurant chain in the Los Angeles area. Who knows even the Andy Ruiz mean lean fat grilling machine

and Gandalf it's nice to be positive and optimistic but neuroscientist have for decades proven that any damage mentally or emotionally or spiritually which is done before the age of five is pretty much irreversible. I don't know about that 75% statistic you threw out there but I highly doubt it. People are like boxers some people get knocked out by a one shot to the jaw and then you have these ironjaw people like Mike Tyson or Muhammad Ali who you just cannot knock out. it's apples and oranges my friend. Some people fold and buccal artery motional abuse and neglect while other people can like you said make a recovery with hard work. It depends on the individual it is a case-by-case basis but it is a given scientific fact that until about the age of 4 and 1/2 or 5 years old that over 90% of the neural connections at the synaptic level have already been concretized. Due to experiences of trauma

Scientific facts. I'm not saying to not give it a try of course everyone should give it a try good but we cannot just say that so and so did not try hard enough because we do not know his psychiatric inner workings and he may or she may not even know herself or himself.

[Mark TKO]

He can come again but it's up to him.

He's a good fighter with very fast hands and a hell of a chin. Get in shape and he can have 3 or 4 big pay days. I think the wilder or fury winner may want him too.

[Mark TKO]

And win a couple and look good and lose 30 lbs (from Saturdays weight) then Joshua can't ignore the rubber match.