2019 UK General Election

[Master]

The biggest and main factor that Boris won the election was Brexit. He knew a quick General Election would help him win a majority and less time would be given on other real central issues such as Austerity and NHS. There was no Labour leader who could have won this election, even Tony Blair at his peak.

All other issues such as Corbyn, antisemitism, terrorist sympathiser, crashing the economy, were secondary to Brexit. I never understood why Labour had to have a second referendum if Labour negotiated a good and credible deal. If it was a good and credible deal then make that deal. No need to have a second referendum. That policy was just to appease the Remainers.

Most people do not think Boris was a better leader than Corbyn, some knew he was actually worse but they wanted Brexit done. A clown could have led the Tories and would still have won. In fact he did.

The polling completely disputes that. Far more people did see Johnson as a better leader than Corbyn. I am not saying that is right or wrong, but that is the data we have.

The polling was on the political parties and the main reason the Tories won was Brexit “being done”. If it was on leaders then Corbyn may have just won but it is not.

[Gandalf]

The biggest and main factor that Boris won the election was Brexit. He knew a quick General Election would help him win a majority and less time would be given on other real central issues such as Austerity and NHS. There was no Labour leader who could have won this election, even Tony Blair at his peak.

All other issues such as Corbyn, antisemitism, terrorist sympathiser, crashing the economy, were secondary to Brexit. I never understood why Labour had to have a second referendum if Labour negotiated a good and credible deal. If it was a good and credible deal then make that deal. No need to have a second referendum. That policy was just to appease the Remainers.

Most people do not think Boris was a better leader than Corbyn, some knew he was actually worse but they wanted Brexit done. A clown could have led the Tories and would still have won. In fact he did.

The polling completely disputes that. Far more people did see Johnson as a better leader than Corbyn. I am not saying that is right or wrong, but that is the data we have.

The polling was on the political parties and the main reason the Tories won was Brexit “being done”. If it was on leaders then Corbyn may have just won but it is not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead...neral_election

[Beanz]

Congratulations to the foreign billionaires who lied their way to the promised land. A land flowing with bile and insipid cowering surrender. Congratulations in making us the 51st state of the USA and breaking up the UK, biting off your own tail in order to prove how much better than anyone else you are.



"It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees" Zapata

[Master]

My point still stands, this election was about Brexit. The other factors did not matter as much because the majority was so wide. If the numbers were closer then it would have mattered.

[Gandalf]

My point still stands, this election was about Brexit. The other factors did not matter as much because the majority was so wide. If the numbers were closer then it would have mattered.

So you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.

[Master]

My point still stands, this election was about Brexit. The other factors did not matter as much because the majority was so wide. If the numbers were closer then it would have mattered.

So you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.

I am supporting what Dia and Al said in the fact that they wanted Brexit.

Leaders were a distant second.

[Gandalf]

My point still stands, this election was about Brexit. The other factors did not matter as much because the majority was so wide. If the numbers were closer then it would have mattered.

So you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.

I am supporting what Dia and Al said in the fact that they wanted Brexit.

Leaders were a distant second.

Dia for years was hating on Corbyn and initially it was because of the leftist leanings. He wanted something more moderate akin to the Blair years. Personally I hated Blair and that is where me and him disagreed strongly. For me Blair represents everything wrong with Britain today. We both overlap on the EU and immigration. Al has his own reasons and I have never really discussed it with him in a back and forth.

The EU is of course something most working people are against. It is mainly young students, arty types and the London bubble that are into it. To ignore the 52% was just silly and Tony Benn is up there saying 'You prat Jeremy'. Probably silent on his son.

[Dia bando]

My point still stands, this election was about Brexit. The other factors did not matter as much because the majority was so wide. If the numbers were closer then it would have mattered.

So you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.

I am supporting what Dia and Al said in the fact that they wanted Brexit.

Leaders were a distant second.

Dia for years was hating on Corbyn and initially it was because of the leftist leanings. He wanted something more moderate akin to the Blair years. Personally I hated Blair and that is where me and him disagreed strongly. For me Blair represents everything wrong with Britain today. We both overlap on the EU and immigration. Al has his own reasons and I have never really discussed it with him in a back and forth.

The EU is of course something most working people are against. It is mainly young students, arty types and the London bubble that are into it. To ignore the 52% was just silly and Tony Benn is up there saying 'You prat Jeremy'. Probably silent on his son.

The left the right both extreme mate Brexit was the main issue.
Both seats in Wrexham are now Tory I was talking to Labour voters who now voted Tory why Brexit the stupidity of Labour wanting to remain ass holes really.!
All of Wrexham voted for Brexit what did both MPs wanted remain both Labour both loss there seats ass holes.
The I know better than you attitude bit them on the ass I have never liked Corbyn and many Labour supporters felt the same way guy is a skid mark a total waste of fucking space.
Corbyn surrounded himself with some of the thickest idiots on earth Abbott etc the damage has been done it will take years for Labour to recover if it ever will.!

[Beanz]

My point still stands, this election was about Brexit. The other factors did not matter as much because the majority was so wide. If the numbers were closer then it would have mattered.

So you will ignore the data then. Fair enough. Brexit was huge of course, but to deny that there are a lot of Dia's out there is,a bit delusional. I don't mind Corbyn even if I cannot support his dishonesty when he obviously agreed with his friend Tony Benn on the EU or his vote buying, but many for whatever reason do seem to really dislike him. It is just that fewer dislike Johnson. I cannot say I trust or like Boris either. A politician has to earn trust and that is rare.

I am supporting what Dia and Al said in the fact that they wanted Brexit.

Leaders were a distant second.

I think it was Corbyn also, people really are resistant to real change.

Astonished though to wake up in a country in which people feel so disenfranchised that they are willing to vote for a party and leader who openly talked about them with such derision, will make them poorer, and in fact kill many of them through neglect, will continue to sell off the country to foreign interests and fuck the country over for our kids and grandkids.

Gandalf has made it abundantly clear he can very clearly be bought ( and speaks about people in the very same derogatory way as Johsnson), but you would have hoped that others could see past the lies and would reject Boris and the Billionaires club who despise them.

[Fenster]

I've heard lots of people this morning (on radio) say what Batman said in this thread - they could never vote for Corbyn, even though they're Labour supporters, because of his connection with the IRA after the bombings, and it's especially a common feeling in Birmingham.

And Jewish people continually bring up the anti-semitism, they've been living in fear that he gets elected. (did you know Jews keep their bags packed for fear of having to flee? Mental.)

[Beanz]

[Dia bando]

Beanz the issue was Brexit clearly Corbyns short fall was he and his followers ignored a democratic vote for Brexit.
The election was about Brexit 3 years in limbo hardened Labour supporters voted Tory. Corbyn has been a disastrous leader hated by many Labour MPs and Labour voters alike.!
Borris is a bloody clown and old Jeremy could not beat him ! Blair would have wiped the floor with Cameron May and Johnson simple enough mate.
Politics is a dirty business I have lost faith in politicians of all parties Labour have themselves to blame in not listening to there voters poor leadership poor policy's .!