2019 UK General Election

[Gandalf]

Labour was paying attention to University students and a London centric multicultural group that does not represent Britain at large. Even Corbyn with his millions was representing Islington with its average house price of about 750,000 pounds nearly 2 and a half times the average and most ordinary peoplewell below even that if even with a mortgage.

The ordinary person in the poorer parts of say Leeds could see their own community changing and no real prospects for thrmselves and many saw the influx as getting priority treatment. They ended up feeling frustrated and angry and they all know Blair started it all, that he failed the economy etc. The anti Labour feeling runs deep. Those people do like Robinson, they do see the hostility in some groups, they so see the breaking down of community, and so they reject the party that cheated them of so much.

'We want Brexit' they said and they were called racist and jeered for being stupid and they could see who was again ignoring them and so they taught them a lesson. The North rose up and changed everything. But so did many other regions. Labour is now a spot in Wales, a spot in the North and of course a chunk of London, a non British city.

Possible the end of them for generations if not good. The Tories just have to listen and respond. If not something else will represent the North and their Allies.

[Fatboxingfan]

with its average house price of about 750,000 pounds nearly 2 and a half times the average and most ordinary peoplewell below even that if even with a mortgage.

The ordinary person in the poorer parts of say Leeds could see their own community changing and no real prospects for thrmselves and many saw the influx as getting priority treatment. .

Bullshit, a 7.80 an hour job one can survive and live good there.

[Gandalf]

with its average house price of about 750,000 pounds nearly 2 and a half times the average and most ordinary peoplewell below even that if even with a mortgage.

The ordinary person in the poorer parts of say Leeds could see their own community changing and no real prospects for thrmselves and many saw the influx as getting priority treatment. .

Bullshit, a 7.80 an hour job one can survive and live good there.

Most people do not live in London and those that do often end up house sharing splktting the costs.

Somewhere like Manchester or Leeds and you can live on 7.80 and many are on more than that. I was well above minimum wage years ago having done a few simple training courses. 7.80 is the lowest and if you just have a bit of initiative you are not on 7.80 an hour. Get a suitable degree, choose a needed occupation and work at it. Not complicated.

[Gandalf]

7.80 at 40 hours a week is about 16 grand a year. Or 1400 a month before deductions.

Let's take Leeds as an example and assume he is a full time supermarket worker at ASDA on 8 pounds an hour willing to work whatever shifts and he doesn't have a higher degree, but has done a baking course. I had friends who used to do this work, especially in the bakery department which you know about Fats being a baker. Let's look at one review:

"Learned a lot and gained valuable experience. As a student, the pay was decent. The managers were usually understanding and overall nice. Occasionally worked more hours than I'd have liked to and days could sometimes drag if the hours were long and there wasn't a lot of work to do."

In that review is a pro and a con. The person even admits that it could be boring when there wasn't even anything to do. Wasn't exactly being ground to the bone there, but I know my friends got up early and mornings were busy.

16 grand a year, so he needs a place to live. Let's do a search. Hmm. How about this one?

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...-65867817.html

That is 500 taken from the 1400, but hardly any deposit and furnished already. Add your utilities (though I would eradicate council tax and VAT in the interests of people like this as a government policy) and he is left with several hundred a month to do whatever, he can even slyly take aging products home.

He is in a modern age where everything in terms of home pleasures is cheap or free. He can also go for a beer if he likes or indeed even save up his money. Being the modern age he might even save on the rent and live at home for a few years building up enough to get a mortgage on a not so expensive property up there.

Even the humble baker can be okay in a Tory Britain. If you do not tax him to death, then he is kind of okay and certainly able to live.

What I do take objection to is open borders meaning foreign competition keeping wages depressed and possibly taking his job and changing his community. He didn't ask for that and that is why Labour lost badly.

The worker wants to be respected and I do respect him as he clearly works hard and gets paid for it.

[Gandalf]

More reviews as every experience and situation is different.

"Asda is a good place to work .set hours and was ok pay for a baker.just want to grow and do different type of work as I've been there almost 16years"


"Enjoyable bakery with good coworkers. Good facilities provided to staff and subsidized meals provided that are of reasonable quality. Long hours but always busy with no downtime."


"up at 4AM to start at 5am. Ive worked at Asda for a while so got friendly with alot of people."


"Was a very poor run company to work for. Never got paid the right amount, and was not very stable when it came to work hours. You could be working 6 hours one week and 38 hours the next. Had no time to yourself as you were always wondering if you'd wake up with a phone call asking you to come into work"

With the last chap, I am not sure why the bakery would only require a baker 1 day a week. Everyone I knew was in there every morning doing their long shift. All have turned out okay, some moved onto other things.

[Fatboxingfan]

Bakers have to start proving the yeast at 3 a.m. . Pretty lousy s*** if you ask me

[Gandalf]

Bloody hell. There are jobs everywhere. Even a cleaner earns 8.21 an hour which is how Brett Anderson developed as a young man. Lidl pays 9-10 pounds and my goodness if you have girlfriend who you haven't knocked up yet, you can even pool your resources providing you don't get a junk habit! These are the jobs with minimal skills required. Really basic stuff and it is on you if you haven't got many qualifications.

If you have a few skills, know how to wear a suit, then better jobs are there. Is it really evil to suggest that the work is there and that with a little charm you will get a job and not need a food bank? Page after page of work people can do, some low paid and some kind of good.

https://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs-in-Lee...2d8a8a0a3a046f

[Fatboxingfan]

all them jobs you're talkin about are for teenagers who don't mind sharing a one-bedroom apartment with four other people and sharing the toilet bowl bespeckled and bes mattered with four other frat boys 22 years old. What grown man 35 or 45 years old is going to work in a supermarket for 8 lb an hour and feel happy? It looks easy to you because you are looking at it from a far. it seems like it would make such a perfect sense on paper but the moment you personally Gandalf go back to the UK for example and try to get one of those job you will see how hard it is to even be offered one because they will look at you and say your resume says English teacher you are not allowed to work in the supermarket as an English teacher because there are a hundred other applicants who already have supermarket experience and they will take them over you six ways to Sunday. Don't believe me go ahead and go back to the UK and see if it works