2019 UK General Election

[Gandalf]

with its average house price of about 750,000 pounds nearly 2 and a half times the average and most ordinary peoplewell below even that if even with a mortgage.

The ordinary person in the poorer parts of say Leeds could see their own community changing and no real prospects for thrmselves and many saw the influx as getting priority treatment. .

Bullshit, a 7.80 an hour job one can survive and live good there.

Most people do not live in London and those that do often end up house sharing splktting the costs.

Somewhere like Manchester or Leeds and you can live on 7.80 and many are on more than that. I was well above minimum wage years ago having done a few simple training courses. 7.80 is the lowest and if you just have a bit of initiative you are not on 7.80 an hour. Get a suitable degree, choose a needed occupation and work at it. Not complicated.

[Gandalf]

7.80 at 40 hours a week is about 16 grand a year. Or 1400 a month before deductions.

Let's take Leeds as an example and assume he is a full time supermarket worker at ASDA on 8 pounds an hour willing to work whatever shifts and he doesn't have a higher degree, but has done a baking course. I had friends who used to do this work, especially in the bakery department which you know about Fats being a baker. Let's look at one review:

"Learned a lot and gained valuable experience. As a student, the pay was decent. The managers were usually understanding and overall nice. Occasionally worked more hours than I'd have liked to and days could sometimes drag if the hours were long and there wasn't a lot of work to do."

In that review is a pro and a con. The person even admits that it could be boring when there wasn't even anything to do. Wasn't exactly being ground to the bone there, but I know my friends got up early and mornings were busy.

16 grand a year, so he needs a place to live. Let's do a search. Hmm. How about this one?

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...-65867817.html

That is 500 taken from the 1400, but hardly any deposit and furnished already. Add your utilities (though I would eradicate council tax and VAT in the interests of people like this as a government policy) and he is left with several hundred a month to do whatever, he can even slyly take aging products home.

He is in a modern age where everything in terms of home pleasures is cheap or free. He can also go for a beer if he likes or indeed even save up his money. Being the modern age he might even save on the rent and live at home for a few years building up enough to get a mortgage on a not so expensive property up there.

Even the humble baker can be okay in a Tory Britain. If you do not tax him to death, then he is kind of okay and certainly able to live.

What I do take objection to is open borders meaning foreign competition keeping wages depressed and possibly taking his job and changing his community. He didn't ask for that and that is why Labour lost badly.

The worker wants to be respected and I do respect him as he clearly works hard and gets paid for it.

[Gandalf]

More reviews as every experience and situation is different.

"Asda is a good place to work .set hours and was ok pay for a baker.just want to grow and do different type of work as I've been there almost 16years"


"Enjoyable bakery with good coworkers. Good facilities provided to staff and subsidized meals provided that are of reasonable quality. Long hours but always busy with no downtime."


"up at 4AM to start at 5am. Ive worked at Asda for a while so got friendly with alot of people."


"Was a very poor run company to work for. Never got paid the right amount, and was not very stable when it came to work hours. You could be working 6 hours one week and 38 hours the next. Had no time to yourself as you were always wondering if you'd wake up with a phone call asking you to come into work"

With the last chap, I am not sure why the bakery would only require a baker 1 day a week. Everyone I knew was in there every morning doing their long shift. All have turned out okay, some moved onto other things.

[Fatboxingfan]

Bakers have to start proving the yeast at 3 a.m. . Pretty lousy s*** if you ask me

[Gandalf]

Bloody hell. There are jobs everywhere. Even a cleaner earns 8.21 an hour which is how Brett Anderson developed as a young man. Lidl pays 9-10 pounds and my goodness if you have girlfriend who you haven't knocked up yet, you can even pool your resources providing you don't get a junk habit! These are the jobs with minimal skills required. Really basic stuff and it is on you if you haven't got many qualifications.

If you have a few skills, know how to wear a suit, then better jobs are there. Is it really evil to suggest that the work is there and that with a little charm you will get a job and not need a food bank? Page after page of work people can do, some low paid and some kind of good.

https://www.indeed.co.uk/jobs-in-Lee...2d8a8a0a3a046f

[Fatboxingfan]

all them jobs you're talkin about are for teenagers who don't mind sharing a one-bedroom apartment with four other people and sharing the toilet bowl bespeckled and bes mattered with four other frat boys 22 years old. What grown man 35 or 45 years old is going to work in a supermarket for 8 lb an hour and feel happy? It looks easy to you because you are looking at it from a far. it seems like it would make such a perfect sense on paper but the moment you personally Gandalf go back to the UK for example and try to get one of those job you will see how hard it is to even be offered one because they will look at you and say your resume says English teacher you are not allowed to work in the supermarket as an English teacher because there are a hundred other applicants who already have supermarket experience and they will take them over you six ways to Sunday. Don't believe me go ahead and go back to the UK and see if it works

[Gandalf]

all them jobs you're talkin about are for teenagers who don't mind sharing a one-bedroom apartment with four other people and sharing the toilet bowl bespeckled and bes mattered with four other frat boys 22 years old. What grown man 35 or 45 years old is going to work in a supermarket for 8 lb an hour and feel happy? It looks easy to you because you are looking at it from a far. it seems like it would make such a perfect sense on paper but the moment you personally Gandalf go back to the UK for example and try to get one of those job you will see how hard it is to even be offered one because they will look at you and say your resume says English teacher you are not allowed to work in the supermarket as an English teacher because there are a hundred other applicants who already have supermarket experience and they will take them over you six ways to Sunday. Don't believe me go ahead and go back to the UK and see if it works

I have plenty of retail work experience and my sister checked out a language school nearby where I would be on about 12 pounds an hour if I did that. Would have walked into it as nobody around would have my qualifications or experience. In fact would have been weird for me to even do it. I was curious thus checked it out. Had one of my homesick moments. Not great money, but not the worst for a cram school. That is if I didn't even bother aspiring to something more fitting with my resume which would be genuine tertiary education. My friend who went back home, pretty similar to me, walked into a college job fairly quickly, but then went overseas again as the Middle East meant apartment with a swimming pool, no tax etc. The work is there.

What a supermarket is looking for is charm, efficiency, and an ability to work under pressure. They hire all kinds of people and all it takes is initiative and going straight to the manager explaining that you want a job, are dedicated, and will work hard. How do you think I even got my first job in retail? I had no experience, was young, still at school, but they could see brightness and that alone gets you into most entry level jobs.

It isn't about me though as I have studied and have the work that fits my level, but I am saying other bright young things can still walk into those positions and in a few years rise up. That's how I raised my wages back home. Took a few training courses and each time the pay goes up a notch. I would often do 50 hour weeks and even as a student be doing 25. The work was always there. I have never known a time without work except for time I took off to write a dissertation. My only issue with it was that it was all about share owners, but the older me also realizes the money was enough. I simply spent it too fast like others. The quickest to complain are those who spend the fastest.

[Fatboxingfan]

You see that Cram school that you talking about for 12 lb an hour? that's split shifts you will work from 8 a.m. until 12 noon and have nothing to do again until 6 p.m. until 10 p.m. night shift

You will have to take public transportation

No you will not get the supermarket jobs

you have to complete a company profile online and then apply on their web page and it will take a very long time for them to get back to you also they only hire 19 year olds who do everything that they are told like a little puppy dog

It's not the same world you remember