10 Biggest Polluters on Earth

[TitoFan]

Solar and wind power "don't work"? Another point we'll just agree to disagree.

Easy to dismiss, because it's "too much work" to continue to tweak and perfect these perfectly good (and renewable) energy sources to the point where they can be effectively used. It's this monumental laziness that continues to push these untrue narratives. There are nations out there, with a lot less scientific manpower than the U.S., that have doubled down in their efforts to make renewable energy sources completely viable.

They DO work. It's just easier to push them aside and concentrate on getting those additional widgets out the door. I'm not claiming they'll 100% substitute other energy sources. But used wisely and efficiently as complementary energy sources is not only possible..... it's urgently needed and important.

I am not diametrically opposed to any energy source, as long as the appropriate safeguards and technology is coupled with it in order to get the maximum benefit. Nuclear is an example. A dirty word for some... but we've been sloppy in the past. We need to learn from our mistakes and not just dismiss a technology as taboo, but rather go back and make damn sure all contingency plans have been addressed many times over.

Like nuclear, there are other energy technologies out there just waiting to be developed and implemented.

Wind & solar aren't efficient, they are subsidized more than any other form of energy meaning they cause for HIGHER prices, and they don't provide the benefits to outweigh the negatives.

The farther away from the Equator you are, the less helpful solar power is. Wind power only works to an extent....if the wind blows too hard it's just as if it's not blowing at all. If the kinks can be worked out, then sure I'm all for it, but right now I think it's best to focus on making more efficient engines and burning cleaner fuels.

Oil, Natural gas, Coal, Nuclear work and are consistent, efficient, and dependable

I'm not against hydroelectric power, maybe that can help. It's bound to be better than either solar or wind. I'm not against geothermal energy either. I think both hydro & geothermal energies hold a brighter future than wind and solar.

Solar power for satellites is one thing for houses and factories is quite another.


I mean it would be lovely if they worked, they don't work not in any economical sense (other than for the folks getting rich off of government subsidies)

Other countries do it..... so can the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpa...Power_Facility

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...too-ncna901666


Countries like Japan can be given a pass if they're not rushing into the solar power field, but that's understandable given their topography and climate.

By the way, I stressed complementary for a reason.

I'm of the school of "let's do it, and move the excuses out of the way", so forgive me for continuing to insist on my train of thought.

For every idea, there's always plenty of "buts."


Also, can we leave "coal" out of the group you mentioned? Or do need to embark on yet another discussion as to why we should be moving away from coal, instead of continue to clutch onto it?

Oh wait..... you said "consistent, efficient, and dependable." You said nothing about clean. My bad.

As long as we continue to only value "consistent, efficient, and dependable" and say nothing about environmental impacts.... I guess we'll just never get anywhere and continue to champion the status quo.

[El Kabong]

Solar and wind power "don't work"? Another point we'll just agree to disagree.

Easy to dismiss, because it's "too much work" to continue to tweak and perfect these perfectly good (and renewable) energy sources to the point where they can be effectively used. It's this monumental laziness that continues to push these untrue narratives. There are nations out there, with a lot less scientific manpower than the U.S., that have doubled down in their efforts to make renewable energy sources completely viable.

They DO work. It's just easier to push them aside and concentrate on getting those additional widgets out the door. I'm not claiming they'll 100% substitute other energy sources. But used wisely and efficiently as complementary energy sources is not only possible..... it's urgently needed and important.

I am not diametrically opposed to any energy source, as long as the appropriate safeguards and technology is coupled with it in order to get the maximum benefit. Nuclear is an example. A dirty word for some... but we've been sloppy in the past. We need to learn from our mistakes and not just dismiss a technology as taboo, but rather go back and make damn sure all contingency plans have been addressed many times over.

Like nuclear, there are other energy technologies out there just waiting to be developed and implemented.

Wind & solar aren't efficient, they are subsidized more than any other form of energy meaning they cause for HIGHER prices, and they don't provide the benefits to outweigh the negatives.

The farther away from the Equator you are, the less helpful solar power is. Wind power only works to an extent....if the wind blows too hard it's just as if it's not blowing at all. If the kinks can be worked out, then sure I'm all for it, but right now I think it's best to focus on making more efficient engines and burning cleaner fuels.

Oil, Natural gas, Coal, Nuclear work and are consistent, efficient, and dependable

I'm not against hydroelectric power, maybe that can help. It's bound to be better than either solar or wind. I'm not against geothermal energy either. I think both hydro & geothermal energies hold a brighter future than wind and solar.

Solar power for satellites is one thing for houses and factories is quite another.


I mean it would be lovely if they worked, they don't work not in any economical sense (other than for the folks getting rich off of government subsidies)

Other countries do it..... so can the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpa...Power_Facility

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...too-ncna901666


Countries like Japan can be given a pass if they're not rushing into the solar power field, but that's understandable given their topography and climate.

By the way, I stressed complementary for a reason.

I'm of the school of "let's do it, and move the excuses out of the way", so forgive me for continuing to insist on my train of thought.

For every idea, there's always plenty of "buts."


Also, can we leave "coal" out of the group you mentioned? Or do need to embark on yet another discussion as to why we should be moving away from coal, instead of continue to clutch onto it?

Oh wait..... you said "consistent, efficient, and dependable." You said nothing about clean. My bad.

As long as we continue to only value "consistent, efficient, and dependable" and say nothing about environmental impacts.... I guess we'll just never get anywhere and continue to champion the status quo.

I think it's best to focus on making more efficient engines and burning cleaner fuels.

Is what i said...whatever, take it leave it I don't care, I attempted to make a point and this has become a thread of diminishing returns for me