Austerity

[Gandalf]

The most vulnerable should never have to pay anything let alone be taxed

They don't pay any tax until 12,500 a year. This is why I urge council tax reform and an end to VAT. Tax people straight and tax the poor as little as possible. Create self responsibility and if you save and invest you do better and if you don't then silly you. It is fairer than just giving for nothing all the time to people who feel entitled to have something for nothing.

its not about they "feel" entitled or not, it's arithmetically if they NEED the help.

Some people in this world refuse to work. If they need the money then they need to do something for it like anyone else.

Im not talking about those who refuse and you know it.

Who are you talking about then? Who are these vulnerable people besides the disabled and the millions of workshy and women who use children as gambling chips?

Look how casually you lump in the disabled with the workshy and irresponsible single mothers.

Pathalogical with you it seems. I feel very sorry for you and the torment you seem to live with.

I don't feel very tormented. I just think there are 'disabled' people who choose not to work, that there are single mothers that choose not to work, that there are lazy people who choose not to work.

These are just realities. There are lazy disabled people too. It is not just an affliction of the physically able. Some even fake their disability.

[Beanz]

Says you from your sofa. You are a piece of work, of that there is no doubt.

You have no interest in justice or compassion or suffering unless it is your own.

It must be terrible to have to eschew your humanity in order to justify your weird new ideaology of hate and spite.

I truly do feel sorry for you.

[Gandalf]

Says you from your sofa. You are a piece of work, of that there is no doubt.

You have no interest in justice or compassion or suffering unless it is your own.

It must be terrible to have to eschew your humanity in order to justify your weird new ideaology of hate and spite.

I truly do feel sorry for you.

I am a little like Al in that I care for the people that mean something to me and my group of friends most of all. Of course I want the most vulnerable people to be supported, but I also want the ones who manipulate the system to be dealt with more strongly so that good behavior is encouraged. Work does wonders for self esteem, the ability to relate to those around you, and to encourage personal growth.

There is nothing hateful about encouraging good behavior and of course I think the genuinely sick need help, or those who lose their job. I think increasing the brackets where people do not pay tax is a good thing.

[Beanz]

Says you from your sofa. You are a piece of work, of that there is no doubt.

You have no interest in justice or compassion or suffering unless it is your own.

It must be terrible to have to eschew your humanity in order to justify your weird new ideaology of hate and spite.

I truly do feel sorry for you.

I am a little like Al in that I care for the people that mean something to me and my group of friends most of all. Of course I want the most vulnerable people to be supported, but I also want the ones who manipulate the system to be dealt with more strongly so that good behavior is encouraged. Work does wonders for self esteem, the ability to relate to those around you, and to encourage personal growth.

There is nothing hateful about encouraging good behavior and of course I think the genuinely sick need help, or those who lose their job. I think increasing the brackets where people do not pay tax is a good thing.

That is not the story though is it? You are like the bloke with a rafter in his eye pointing out the straw in anothers. The whole austerity drive was weaponized and used as an ideological stick to beat the disabled with, and you are continuing to do the same. The evidence of actual medical experts was disregarded and even cases that were decided by the high court in London previously and awarded for life were thrown away in favour of an American companies opinion. So consultants and GPs were ignored in favour of the opinion of assessors with NO medical training. People who were deaf and blind from birth, people with no arms and legs, people with terminal cancer were all found fit for work. Thousands were affected and many people died. On the austerity march that Al mocked i met a woman whose brother came back from serving in the British Army who had a host of disabilities who had died after he could not even afford to put electricity in to keep the fridge running in which he stored his insulin. He was not some fat loafer who developed diabetes for inactivity. The Government adopted the position that everybody who claimed disability benefits of any kind was a scrounger and a fake. This meant that something like 90% of cases had to be contested at tribunal and the majority are won. MOST people are not faking it. You are both pretending that the opposite is true. That is a truly horrendous way to view other humans. As though everybody is on the take. It worked for the Tories in shifting the blame, but is is morally redundant viewpoint to adopt. It is absolutely hateful in the worst possible way. I don't condone malingerers and would be the last person to do so. I have seen how those people end up getting the majority of honest disabled people who want to do something productive with their lives, unfairly maligned, and yet I do not adopt your position. You are just grandstanding on a subject you no very little about that is very, very obvious.

[Gandalf]

I do not endorse putting dying people to work or making the genuinely sick suffer, but I know for a fact that some people with nothing wrong with them do indeed put it on. They do not die and walk to the shops just fine. It is those that I do not respect. Do not try to put me into a position that I do not particularly have.

For people with mental health issues, I would like to see them genuinely supported with mental health support rather than money for nothing.

My position is somewhere in the middle. I am not exactly Ian Duncan Smith.

[Fatboxingfan]

Brutal shit there, Beanz. Fucking brutal. There but for the Grace of God go we.

[Beanz]

Three fucking hours


The body of a homeless man was reportedly left lying in the street for three and a half hours, as people walked past, before anyone took action.
Mark Mummery, 45, was found dead on a pavement in Grimbsy on Wednesday afternoon, with temperatures dipping as low as 5C. He is feared to have died after a suspected drug overdose.

Dozens of people walked past his lifeless body without taking any notice until a woman eventually stopped and called emergency services at around 1.15pm...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eX0Ig_TTCNrHwo