Turning back the clock

[Ron Swanson]

Good topic. Some are tricky with younger guy just not panning out or the vet prematurely written off etc. John Michael Johnson losing to a young 2-0 Junior Jones then coming back 5 years later to take his title via ko and reignite his career. Dennis Andries coming back from a ko to 11 years younger underdog Jeff Harding and leaving him down for the count in rematch. Luisito Espinosa returning the ko to new champ and Kevin Kelly conqueror Alejandro Gonzalez for his belt.

What’s crazy is John Michael Johnson fought LAST MONTH, 25 years after that victory!

[Spicoli]

Good topic. Some are tricky with younger guy just not panning out or the vet prematurely written off etc. John Michael Johnson losing to a young 2-0 Junior Jones then coming back 5 years later to take his title via ko and reignite his career. Dennis Andries coming back from a ko to 11 years younger underdog Jeff Harding and leaving him down for the count in rematch. Luisito Espinosa returning the ko to new champ and Kevin Kelly conqueror Alejandro Gonzalez for his belt.

What’s crazy is John Michael Johnson fought LAST MONTH, 25 years after that victory!

Yeh that was sad, some just cannot leave it alone and of course you still have to pay the bills. Hopefully he sticks with training.

[Alpha]

I rember Gamaliel Diaz defeating Takahiro Ao in '12, then losing to him in 2018, is that the sort of thing you are loooking for?

What about Coutney Burton beating Emanuel Augustus in '04 by split decision (controversial), then getting knocked out by Augustus in 8 rounds in'06.

Derrick Gainer, getting stopped in 8 by Kevin Kelley, then defeating Kelley over 10 rounds in '98.

[Ron Swanson]

I rember Gamaliel Diaz defeating Takahiro Ao in '12, then losing to him in 2018, is that the sort of thing you are loooking for?

What about Coutney Burton beating Emanuel Augustus in '04 by split decision (controversial), then getting knocked out by Augustus in 8 rounds in'06.

Derrick Gainer, getting stopped in 8 by Kevin Kelley, then defeating Kelley over 10 rounds in '98.

Diaz/Ao would almost fit, except Diaz was so so done by then.

Augustus fought on for 5 more years after the Burton fight so he wasn’t really at the end. And Gainer fought on for like 11 more years so again, not really at the end.

Not trying to argue, just thinking of the old guy rising up for one night, one last night of greatness. I think it’s often the opponent that makes it seem like they are better on the night but I’m sure there must be occasions where the old guy is just better that night.

For example people say Wladimir fought great against Joshua, well I say put him back in with Fury and he would have stunk the joint out. Not Wladimir putting on one last great show, just a better matchup.

[Alpha]

I rember Gamaliel Diaz defeating Takahiro Ao in '12, then losing to him in 2018, is that the sort of thing you are loooking for?

What about Coutney Burton beating Emanuel Augustus in '04 by split decision (controversial), then getting knocked out by Augustus in 8 rounds in'06.

Derrick Gainer, getting stopped in 8 by Kevin Kelley, then defeating Kelley over 10 rounds in '98.

Diaz/Ao would almost fit, except Diaz was so so done by then.

Augustus fought on for 5 more years after the Burton fight so he wasn’t really at the end. And Gainer fought on for like 11 more years so again, not really at the end.

Not trying to argue, just thinking of the old guy rising up for one night, one last night of greatness. I think it’s often the opponent that makes it seem like they are better on the night but I’m sure there must be occasions where the old guy is just better that night.

For example people say Wladimir fought great against Joshua, well I say put him back in with Fury and he would have stunk the joint out. Not Wladimir putting on one last great show, just a better matchup.

Oh ok, it is a tough one, especially if it's against the same opponent. Old guys against young guys is a different story.

I was going to say Hopkins against Jones Jr, but they both fought on for awhile. Hopkins against Pascal after the draw was similar.

Guys like Verno Phillips, Ali and Foreman had some great late runs.

[Spicoli]

Dang. Verno Phillips great call. The vid of Teddy losing his ever loving shat and schooling judges needs to played with any mention of Burton and Augustus . Thinking about Frankie Randall propelling his totally dismissed shot at Chavez off rematch win over Edwin Rosario.

[TIC]

humberto gonzalez over michael carbajal twice?