Orthodox Jews murdered by 2 Black Hebrew Israelites in Jersey City NJ

[TitoFan]

The difference Tito is that you won't acknowledge the data whilst I do. You would instead argue 'This is delicate, I don't think we should say that'. I differ and this seems to trigger Dennis as his entire thing as that the 'white man has held the black man down' whilst I argue that group differences suggest otherwise. It is more about agency or lack of. People tend to hold themselves down by the choices they make. Thus I fully agree with someone like Candace Owens on this that black people, particularly those like Dennis are part of the problem as he seems to deny that black people have agency and the welfare state kind of endorses that as does affirmative action.

Despite group differences, there are plenty of black people thriving and growing and they would frown at Dennis and his almost black Israelite mentality. The first thing an alcoholic does is to recognise his problem and thus my stance is that if you want better lives for black people you recognize that maintaining a family is a starting point. Have a child with a capable Dad or else don't bother. It starts at home.

If like me you believe nurture and environment is important, then that is a start. Otherwise, stop having kids. It is not rocket science. All this welfare garbage...to perpetuate cycles. Own it.

I don't disagree with a lot of things on there, but fail to see where the first sentence comes from. Let's just say that I don't let data force me to pigeonhole people into neat little bundles. That's where all the trouble starts, IMO. The fact of the matter is there are driven, brilliant, accomplished people from all walks of life, colors, races, what have you. To hear you say "nurture and environment is important" is a new one to me. If you believe that, then I congratulate you, as it seems maybe you discounted those very same factors not long ago.

Denilson is Denilson, and the worst kind of racist. He professes to know everything about everybody, without having ventured out of his own backyard. He throws up the wall immediately so that there's no way on Earth you can crack it. He's got the answers even before you've asked the questions. I pay little mind to him, as I've confronted him before with GROWN-UP logic, and he runs away or chooses to engage others. Then he goes on his hiatus to go pollute other sites. As I've said before, if it's all real..... he's got some real problems.

Fatherless kids is a negative phenomenon we do not disagree on. Not only is it negative... it's a vicious cycle that perpetuates itself time and again, with little to encourage any other type of behavior.

[Gandalf]

That is what I keep on saying though Tito. We treat everyone as an individual, but look at group differences as just maybe some groups are doing things differently and we can help that way. For me it is about increasing agency and self responsibility, for Dennis more about white men holding black people down. I don't think any white man is making black people more likely to be raised in a broken family thus leading to negative outcomes including IQ. That's a cultural problem and can be worked on. My IQ is decent but with nurturing and nutrients and love, could be better. I think that is something positive that we can all work on. We do care for children right? Or do we not? In terms of society I would suggest that we say we do, but do not in practice all too often.

[Gandalf]

Nurture and environment is something I have ALWAYS gone on about whence me being known as a single mother Crusader often in an unfairly negative light despite me never putting kids at risk. I want good outcomes, not kids suffering from the fall out of irresponsible adults who don't need to inflict their behavior onto children.

In saying that, with IQ genetics is unfortunately likely a significant factor. I have jokingly said the solution is to marry East Asians, but that is a little bit naughty. Others argue this is less of a factor though. I can only go on what I read.

I get no fun from IQ and get that my cat has a low IQ, but I love her all the same.

[Gandalf]

It can balance out though. She is a better hunter than me, can hear things I cannot and smell things way beyond my capacity. We all have different strengths and weaknesses. But she has agency too and thus never shits on the floor. Good girl.