Impeachment

[Gandalf]

Well tits this quite differs from your first post on the subject. If you are calling Trump the most divisive president are you leaving aside the war presidents?

War presidents? Because half the nation doesn't want war and the other does? Well.... that's kind of unavoidable, isn't it.

We're not talking about differences in basic philosophies here. Even Presidents who have chosen to go to war have tried to unite the nation behind them.

We're talking about a POTUS who can barely hide his glee when people are going at each others' throats. The worse the carnage, the happier he is.

Historically I don’t think he is the most divisive president. Shit look at Carter and he didn’t use any bad words. I see all the hate, I think it gets a little overboard. I really don’t see any of his policies or deregulation’s as bad. He says stupid stuff it doesn’t really bother me that much. I do have some serious concerns over a certain faction of the democrats. Funny we don’t hear much about it but when the tea party was first around damn they were torn up and targeted by the IRS etc. now we have a group of people holding office that call certain parts of our law enforcement bodies evil. I’m not big on law enforcement I think they have too much power and don’t always use it properly but I wouldn’t call ICE workers Nazis and want them abolished. Anyway things are what they are, I get annoyed with Trump sometimes but the squad and the radical arm of the Dems seriously scare me. They want to do some frightening shit. I’ll take bad words and stupid tweets over that anyday. Talk about divisive

How was Carter divisive?

Yeah..... I'm kinda waiting to hear the tall story on how Carter was divisive. TBH, I think people just make shit up as they go along. I've never had that talent.

Ahhhh. You don’t think the nation was divided under carter? It wasn’t his bad words it was a little more than that. How about Nixon or Johnson or Lincoln or are we just talking about presidents who talk gruff and not policies. People were burning Carter effigies in the streets of America. People don’t like 18 percent interest rates and no gas in their car, Carter was very divisive in the country.

I would love 18% interest rates. Idiots with too much debt need to quit complaining. They took over the world. Long live Jimmy Carter! Good man.

You don’t want 18% if u are paying a mortgage my parent said they were paying 19% on their mortgage at one point

Houses were cheap in those days. You could profit from the gold spike and then get yourself a great home without those bloody mortgage cons. Long live King Jimmy! Perfect President right there.

Not expensive to whom? While your paying 19% on your note you probably aren’t buying gold. Plus you had to wait half a day for ten dollars of gas. No time to sell your gold. Between interest rates and the price of gas you were pretty much fucked

Good times. Bring back Saint Jimmy.

[walrus]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

[Gandalf]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

High interest rates for a few years is okay. But otherwise, I would settle at 3-4% like most sensible people. Today is silly. There is no true recovery with interest rates at these levels. It is a false economy.

[walrus]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

High interest rates for a few years is okay. But otherwise, I would settle at 3-4% like most sensible people. Today is silly. There is no true recovery with interest rates at these levels. It is a false economy.

I won’t argue that. It’s a fed based recovery but 18-19% on a 200,000 home is a killer. And 200,000 homes are a rarity in many areas

[TitoFan]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

[walrus]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

He still had a large following who supported him thus I say divisive.

[TitoFan]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

He still had a large following who supported him thus I say divisive.

I see where your error is. You're using the definition of divisive...

di·vi·sive
/dəˈvīsiv/
adjective
tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.

In that sense yeah.... Carter was divisive. Every POTUS has been divisive. Boxers are divisive. Football teams are divisive. Choosing a restaurant is divisive.


Here's the definition of divisive person...

"Here is my definition of a divisive person: A divisive person intentionally, actively, and repeatedly rubs raw the resentments of people within a community, fans the latent hostilities of many people, searches out controversy and issues rather than avoiding them, and stirs up dissatisfaction and discontent."


Key words to look out for here: "intentionally", "fans hostilities", "searches out controversy", "stirs up"


Trump is all of these. Carter was none of them.


But your confusion was understandable.

[walrus]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

He still had a large following who supported him thus I say divisive.

I see where your error is. You're using the definition of divisive...

di·vi·sive
/dəˈvīsiv/
adjective
tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.

In that sense yeah.... Carter was divisive. Every POTUS has been divisive. Boxers are divisive. Football teams are divisive. Choosing a restaurant is divisive.


Here's the definition of divisive person...

"Here is my definition of a divisive person: A divisive person intentionally, actively, and repeatedly rubs raw the resentments of people within a community, fans the latent hostilities of many people, searches out controversy and issues rather than avoiding them, and stirs up dissatisfaction and discontent."


Key words to look out for here: "intentionally", "fans hostilities", "searches out controversy", "stirs up"


Trump is all of these. Carter was none of them.


But your confusion was understandable.

I’d say your confusion is forgivable

[TitoFan]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

He still had a large following who supported him thus I say divisive.

I see where your error is. You're using the definition of divisive...

di·vi·sive
/dəˈvīsiv/
adjective
tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people.

In that sense yeah.... Carter was divisive. Every POTUS has been divisive. Boxers are divisive. Football teams are divisive. Choosing a restaurant is divisive.


Here's the definition of divisive person...

"Here is my definition of a divisive person: A divisive person intentionally, actively, and repeatedly rubs raw the resentments of people within a community, fans the latent hostilities of many people, searches out controversy and issues rather than avoiding them, and stirs up dissatisfaction and discontent."


Key words to look out for here: "intentionally", "fans hostilities", "searches out controversy", "stirs up"


Trump is all of these. Carter was none of them.


But your confusion was understandable.

I’d say your confusion is forgivable

Nice talking to ya

[Kirkland Laing]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

Where do you get this "worst" thing from? He gave a much criticised speech about "economic malaise" which history shows was fucking bang on the money. His massively criticised "malaise" year saw 3.6% growth, double the current growth rate that Trump is declaring the best economy in US history and which will make tens of millions of low information voters vote for Trump this November. It certainly looks like the narratives that people are fed count far more than actual facts and evidence, doesn't it?

[Kirkland Laing]

That 2.9% Trump growth rate is massively misleading by the way. Trump had one 2.9% year or growth and then one 2.1% year like Obama. The extra point eight percent for one year was down to a tax cut and a massive increase in government spending. Even with the tax cut and continued huge spending increase he's now settled down to a two percent growth rate. So he's doing worse than Obama was (Obama also had a year of 2.9% growth despite the GOP cutting deficit spending when the economy actually needed it and no tax cut.) This is interesting reading for the unfortunately few people interested in this:





https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/04/o...age-years.html

[TitoFan]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

Where do you get this "worst" thing from? He gave a much criticised speech about "economic malaise" which history shows was fucking bang on the money. His massively criticised "malaise" year saw 3.6% growth, double the current growth rate that Trump is declaring the best economy in US history and which will make tens of millions of low information voters vote for Trump this November. It certainly looks like the narratives that people are fed count far more than actual facts and evidence, doesn't it?

As is the case with just about every other President, Carter inherited the economy he walked into. Unfortunately he had some major issues to deal with, but the fact of the matter is that much of his administration suffered from high unemployment and inflation numbers. Again.... Carter's own performance on the economy can be debated.... but that's not even the focus of this particular argument. My point is that to call Carter divisive because his administration suffered from specific problems, is ridiculous. A drowning man will clutch at a straw..... and that's what walrus is doing by diverting attention from the fact that Trump is the MOST DIVISIVE President in history.

[walrus]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

Where do you get this "worst" thing from? He gave a much criticised speech about "economic malaise" which history shows was fucking bang on the money. His massively criticised "malaise" year saw 3.6% growth, double the current growth rate that Trump is declaring the best economy in US history and which will make tens of millions of low information voters vote for Trump this November. It certainly looks like the narratives that people are fed count far more than actual facts and evidence, doesn't it?

As is the case with just about every other President, Carter inherited the economy he walked into. Unfortunately he had some major issues to deal with, but the fact of the matter is that much of his administration suffered from high unemployment and inflation numbers. Again.... Carter's own performance on the economy can be debated.... but that's not even the focus of this particular argument. My point is that to call Carter divisive because his administration suffered from specific problems, is ridiculous. A drowning man will clutch at a straw..... and that's what walrus is doing by diverting attention from the fact that Trump is the MOST DIVISIVE President in history.

Ok sure tits have it your way

[El Kabong]

"Most divisive President in history".......Lincoln's election kicked off the 'War Between The States' .....the fellow did nothing but get elected and America's deadliest war was started.


Soooooo maybe toss the caveat of "Modern Era" in there and MAYBE you've got the guy, but even then Wilson, Nixon, Reagan, Obama.....plenty of divisiveness to go 'round

[Gandalf]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

Where do you get this "worst" thing from? He gave a much criticised speech about "economic malaise" which history shows was fucking bang on the money. His massively criticised "malaise" year saw 3.6% growth, double the current growth rate that Trump is declaring the best economy in US history and which will make tens of millions of low information voters vote for Trump this November. It certainly looks like the narratives that people are fed count far more than actual facts and evidence, doesn't it?

As is the case with just about every other President, Carter inherited the economy he walked into. Unfortunately he had some major issues to deal with, but the fact of the matter is that much of his administration suffered from high unemployment and inflation numbers. Again.... Carter's own performance on the economy can be debated.... but that's not even the focus of this particular argument. My point is that to call Carter divisive because his administration suffered from specific problems, is ridiculous. A drowning man will clutch at a straw..... and that's what walrus is doing by diverting attention from the fact that Trump is the MOST DIVISIVE President in history.

What about George Bush Jnr? Surely he was worse than Trump with illegal wars, collapsing the economy, and turning America into a police state. Not good people.

With Trump I see some rays of hope in there at times. With Bush it was 8 years of carnage.