Impeachment

[Kirkland Laing]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

Where do you get this "worst" thing from? He gave a much criticised speech about "economic malaise" which history shows was fucking bang on the money. His massively criticised "malaise" year saw 3.6% growth, double the current growth rate that Trump is declaring the best economy in US history and which will make tens of millions of low information voters vote for Trump this November. It certainly looks like the narratives that people are fed count far more than actual facts and evidence, doesn't it?

[Kirkland Laing]

That 2.9% Trump growth rate is massively misleading by the way. Trump had one 2.9% year or growth and then one 2.1% year like Obama. The extra point eight percent for one year was down to a tax cut and a massive increase in government spending. Even with the tax cut and continued huge spending increase he's now settled down to a two percent growth rate. So he's doing worse than Obama was (Obama also had a year of 2.9% growth despite the GOP cutting deficit spending when the economy actually needed it and no tax cut.) This is interesting reading for the unfortunately few people interested in this:





https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/04/o...age-years.html

[TitoFan]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

Where do you get this "worst" thing from? He gave a much criticised speech about "economic malaise" which history shows was fucking bang on the money. His massively criticised "malaise" year saw 3.6% growth, double the current growth rate that Trump is declaring the best economy in US history and which will make tens of millions of low information voters vote for Trump this November. It certainly looks like the narratives that people are fed count far more than actual facts and evidence, doesn't it?

As is the case with just about every other President, Carter inherited the economy he walked into. Unfortunately he had some major issues to deal with, but the fact of the matter is that much of his administration suffered from high unemployment and inflation numbers. Again.... Carter's own performance on the economy can be debated.... but that's not even the focus of this particular argument. My point is that to call Carter divisive because his administration suffered from specific problems, is ridiculous. A drowning man will clutch at a straw..... and that's what walrus is doing by diverting attention from the fact that Trump is the MOST DIVISIVE President in history.

[walrus]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

Where do you get this "worst" thing from? He gave a much criticised speech about "economic malaise" which history shows was fucking bang on the money. His massively criticised "malaise" year saw 3.6% growth, double the current growth rate that Trump is declaring the best economy in US history and which will make tens of millions of low information voters vote for Trump this November. It certainly looks like the narratives that people are fed count far more than actual facts and evidence, doesn't it?

As is the case with just about every other President, Carter inherited the economy he walked into. Unfortunately he had some major issues to deal with, but the fact of the matter is that much of his administration suffered from high unemployment and inflation numbers. Again.... Carter's own performance on the economy can be debated.... but that's not even the focus of this particular argument. My point is that to call Carter divisive because his administration suffered from specific problems, is ridiculous. A drowning man will clutch at a straw..... and that's what walrus is doing by diverting attention from the fact that Trump is the MOST DIVISIVE President in history.

Ok sure tits have it your way

[El Kabong]

"Most divisive President in history".......Lincoln's election kicked off the 'War Between The States' .....the fellow did nothing but get elected and America's deadliest war was started.


Soooooo maybe toss the caveat of "Modern Era" in there and MAYBE you've got the guy, but even then Wilson, Nixon, Reagan, Obama.....plenty of divisiveness to go 'round

[walrus]

"Most divisive President in history".......Lincoln's election kicked off the 'War Between The States' .....the fellow did nothing but get elected and America's deadliest war was started.


Soooooo maybe toss the caveat of "Modern Era" in there and MAYBE you've got the guy, but even then Wilson, Nixon, Reagan, Obama.....plenty of divisiveness to go 'round

There always is and there always will be

[TitoFan]

Ahh... yes, Lincoln. How could we leave HIM out of the argument?

He ran on a platform that opposed slavery..... got elected..... and war began.
Exactly the same as Trump dividing the country with his hate-mongering against immigrants, minorities..... and his petty, vindictive behavior toward his real or imagined enemies.
Wow..... what an ironclad argument!!

Hey guys.

It's pretty obvious that what I said to walrus applies to all Trump fanatics. You not only want to win the game..... you want to score all the baskets as well.

Trump is beyond criticism on ANY front. The guy has NEVER done ANYTHING wrong. He's beyond reproach.

You want fries with that?

[TitoFan]

[Gandalf]

Well tits I am not saying trumps divisiveness doesn’t count. I was simply saying to say he is the “most” divisive president is something I wouldn’t agree with. As far as miles goes he obviously wants the entire system to collapse.

Carter was one of the worst Presidents in history with the economy. That didn't make him divisive. It made him ineffective and highly unpopular. I guess our definitions of divisive differ.

Where do you get this "worst" thing from? He gave a much criticised speech about "economic malaise" which history shows was fucking bang on the money. His massively criticised "malaise" year saw 3.6% growth, double the current growth rate that Trump is declaring the best economy in US history and which will make tens of millions of low information voters vote for Trump this November. It certainly looks like the narratives that people are fed count far more than actual facts and evidence, doesn't it?

As is the case with just about every other President, Carter inherited the economy he walked into. Unfortunately he had some major issues to deal with, but the fact of the matter is that much of his administration suffered from high unemployment and inflation numbers. Again.... Carter's own performance on the economy can be debated.... but that's not even the focus of this particular argument. My point is that to call Carter divisive because his administration suffered from specific problems, is ridiculous. A drowning man will clutch at a straw..... and that's what walrus is doing by diverting attention from the fact that Trump is the MOST DIVISIVE President in history.

What about George Bush Jnr? Surely he was worse than Trump with illegal wars, collapsing the economy, and turning America into a police state. Not good people.

With Trump I see some rays of hope in there at times. With Bush it was 8 years of carnage.