New trainer for Wilder?

[imp]

A new trainer must make some difference..so we have Roach..who else?

[Spicoli]

Time for that was when he was being out boxed by a Gerald Washington. His flaws are trained into the package now. He'll need to strip the car down to the frame and rebuild but he's too far in on the very top level to have that done now. You can always tweek some things and add a new coat of paint but for the most part I think he is what he was always going to be.

[Gandalf]

A new trainer must make some difference..so we have Roach..who else?

I would go with Roach and a few familiar long timers for familiar voices.

The knockdown happened, but when Wilder was flopping around again quickly, something was wrong there. His legs looked to be dragging in a peculiar fashion meaning that he had no coordination and with the ear gushing, Fury knew he could toy with him then.

People writing off Wilder forget that Fury himself looked shit against a journeyman a fight before. Wilder can and will do much better than that.

I would like to see Roach sit down and talk to Wilder, watch footage, then develop strategies. He can come back.

[Memphis]

Ben Davison

The mind is a funny old place. On one hand you've got Wilder thinking I clobbered him once I can do it again. One the other you've got Fury thinking he clobbered me the best that he can and it wasn't enough. I'm steamrollering this prick next time. That great moment built two entirely different pictures in two minds and it played a huge psychological part in proceedings this time around. As soon as Tyson started being more aggressive and pushing Wilder around the game was almost up. Yeah the cannon is still there but once the legs started going that was all but redundant and Wilder was up shit creek and his only paddle had a fucking great hole through the middle of it.

Wilder has never shown any signs of improvement or change. He gets beaten with that stick constantly, might be a bit unfair, former World title holder, 40 odd and 1.....and 1. It is a fair point though. At no point has there ever been any evidence that he's evolving. His movement is still the same, he still runs in with the right hand most of the time. Has someone been trying to work with him on development? I've always thought the answer to that question must have been yes, but Wilder simply isn't receptive to it, doesn't know how to change, or doesn't want to. Now I'm not so sure.

His corner seemed completely inept. There was no real (that I could hear granted) dialogue in the corner, nothing very instructive. He was clearly fucked long before the towel actually came in. When he asked why it was stopped and Breland told him his ear was fucked, I'm sure everyone thought it has been for several rounds for Christs sake. The post fight commentary also leads me to believe that they had that one trick in the locker and that was all that was needed and when it malfunctioned, they were collectively screwed. Unfortunately for Wilder he was the one paying the physical toll for it. He got laid bare. It was a leg, it was the weight of the costume, it was his ear, it shouldn't have been stopped, no one knew it was going to be stopped. It's a joke that these things were coming out of mouths from a 'team'.

Like anyone else I don't think Wilder will change. But that's no reason why he shouldn't try. He just needs someone who can educate him properly. Someone to say right, we're going to learn this one thing, or we're going to add a bit of culture to that right hand. Can you imagine Manny Steward salivating at the prospect of refining that thing.

Manny Pacquiao learned that he's got two arms. He also learned that blocking punches with your face isn't best practice. Will Wilder learn, not sure. I'm sure that the people he took into battle with him against Fury are not the ones to teach him.

Tough guy, no quit, good chin, bazooka right hand. Trainers should be queuing up for a piece of that.

[imp]

Ben Davison

The mind is a funny old place. On one hand you've got Wilder thinking I clobbered him once I can do it again. One the other you've got Fury thinking he clobbered me the best that he can and it wasn't enough. I'm steamrollering this prick next time. That great moment built two entirely different pictures in two minds and it played a huge psychological part in proceedings this time around. As soon as Tyson started being more aggressive and pushing Wilder around the game was almost up. Yeah the cannon is still there but once the legs started going that was all but redundant and Wilder was up shit creek and his only paddle had a fucking great hole through the middle of it.

Wilder has never shown any signs of improvement or change. He gets beaten with that stick constantly, might be a bit unfair, former World title holder, 40 odd and 1.....and 1. It is a fair point though. At no point has there ever been any evidence that he's evolving. His movement is still the same, he still runs in with the right hand most of the time. Has someone been trying to work with him on development? I've always thought the answer to that question must have been yes, but Wilder simply isn't receptive to it, doesn't know how to change, or doesn't want to. Now I'm not so sure.

His corner seemed completely inept. There was no real (that I could hear granted) dialogue in the corner, nothing very instructive. He was clearly fucked long before the towel actually came in. When he asked why it was stopped and Breland told him his ear was fucked, I'm sure everyone thought it has been for several rounds for Christs sake. The post fight commentary also leads me to believe that they had that one trick in the locker and that was all that was needed and when it malfunctioned, they were collectively screwed. Unfortunately for Wilder he was the one paying the physical toll for it. He got laid bare. It was a leg, it was the weight of the costume, it was his ear, it shouldn't have been stopped, no one knew it was going to be stopped. It's a joke that these things were coming out of mouths from a 'team'.

Like anyone else I don't think Wilder will change. But that's no reason why he shouldn't try. He just needs someone who can educate him properly. Someone to say right, we're going to learn this one thing, or we're going to add a bit of culture to that right hand. Can you imagine Manny Steward salivating at the prospect of refining that thing.

Manny Pacquiao learned that he's got two arms. He also learned that blocking punches with your face isn't best practice. Will Wilder learn, not sure. I'm sure that the people he took into battle with him against Fury are not the ones to teach him.

Tough guy, no quit, good chin, bazooka right hand. Trainers should be queuing up for a piece of that.

Agreed.

Especially as he has a potential 3-4 years left in him (8-10 fights?)

Jay deas mentioned he also did sparring with Wilder in one of the BT sports videos?..is Jay deas more of a cheerleader in the camp etc?

[Yuzo]

the kind of jab wilder throws is not the way that you have to throw the jab when you use the ring as he was being forced to. you have to press down on your front foot and in the same motion swing over your back foot. its all one smooth motion.



believe it or not, when you throw that jab you are only standing on one foot: your front foot. when you jab this way it lets you glide very smoothly in perfect circular arcs around the ring since it has the same action in principle to the way that a compass works. why is this significant to wilder? this jab lets you side step the other fighter's jab.



i know a lot of people say that boxing is now more advanced and that the training and fighters are better today. for all the advanced and modern training that wilder had no one ever thought to tell him how to throw a jab circling to your left. i think that would have helped. the reason some things from the past worked is because they always worked and always will work.

[Beanz]

Yuzo nailed it. Fundamentals. You cannot pretend that they do not matter, but Wilder seems to not want to listen to anybody who may have told him that he was missing some basics.

[imp]

A new trainer must make some difference..so we have Roach..who else?

I would go with Roach and a few familiar long timers for familiar voices.

The knockdown happened, but when Wilder was flopping around again quickly, something was wrong there. His legs looked to be dragging in a peculiar fashion meaning that he had no coordination and with the ear gushing, Fury knew he could toy with him then.

People writing off Wilder forget that Fury himself looked shit against a journeyman a fight before. Wilder can and will do much better than that.

I would like to see Roach sit down and talk to Wilder, watch footage, then develop strategies. He can come back.

That’s a positive post.

I agree..a few tweaks can happen.

If Wilder KO Fury in the 1st round in the rematch..then what happens?!

[Gandalf]

A new trainer must make some difference..so we have Roach..who else?

I would go with Roach and a few familiar long timers for familiar voices.

The knockdown happened, but when Wilder was flopping around again quickly, something was wrong there. His legs looked to be dragging in a peculiar fashion meaning that he had no coordination and with the ear gushing, Fury knew he could toy with him then.

People writing off Wilder forget that Fury himself looked shit against a journeyman a fight before. Wilder can and will do much better than that.

I would like to see Roach sit down and talk to Wilder, watch footage, then develop strategies. He can come back.

That’s a positive post.

I agree..a few tweaks can happen.

If Wilder KO Fury in the 1st round in the rematch..then what happens?!

Memphis is right too. Manny was a demon fast one trick pony, but things can e worked on. Wilder needs to be brave and have someone tell him 'No, we will try this now'. That is what trainers do. Rumors are that Wilder has been calling the shots a long time. He doesn't have the boxing brain to do it alone. Most fighters do not. You need an extra pair of eyes to see what you do not.