Who wins? Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury II 2020年2月22日

[Gandalf]

You never know. I doubt Fury could repeat it though as it would mean he would need to discombobulate Wilder again. Highly unlikely. He got a bit of a break with the ear plus zero balance as a consequence. Wilder was bleeding from the ear. Until that it was a close fight. Fury's Khan-Barrera style gift. Rematch. 😎

@Gandalf you keep talking about the ear as if it takes something away from the victory, it doesn't at all, his ear was fucked because Tyson exploded it, honestly mate its like saying Amir Khan would have bet Canelo if it wasn't for that pesky KO.

If you ask me Wilder didn't look happy even before the ear went, Tyson looked like he was in his element.

p.s. you are the only single person I have heard complain about this "borderline illegal shot"

I think it does detract, but Wilder will take the rematch and if Fury does it all again, then great. However, I suspect Wilder was crocked there. Another parallel is Toney-Lebedev. Toney had no balance in that one too. It became about going the distance rather than anything more. I could be wrong but I suspect this wouldn't be the same next time. Sure Fury will win rounds, but not like this, more like the first. And with coordination the equalizer is there too.

[TitoFan]

You never know. I doubt Fury could repeat it though as it would mean he would need to discombobulate Wilder again. Highly unlikely. He got a bit of a break with the ear plus zero balance as a consequence. Wilder was bleeding from the ear. Until that it was a close fight. Fury's Khan-Barrera style gift. Rematch. 😎

@Gandalf you keep talking about the ear as if it takes something away from the victory, it doesn't at all, his ear was fucked because Tyson exploded it, honestly mate its like saying Amir Khan would have bet Canelo if it wasn't for that pesky KO.

If you ask me Wilder didn't look happy even before the ear went, Tyson looked like he was in his element.

p.s. you are the only single person I have heard complain about this "borderline illegal shot"

I think it does detract, but Wilder will take the rematch and if Fury does it all again, then great. However, I suspect Wilder was crocked there. Another parallel is Toney-Lebedev. Toney had no balance in that one too. It became about going the distance rather than anything more. I could be wrong but I suspect this wouldn't be the same next time. Sure Fury will win rounds, but not like this, more like the first. And with coordination the equalizer is there too.

Leave it to me to once again be Mr. Objective here.

I was rooting for Wilder. I thought for sure Wilder was going to blow Fury outta there. Etc., etc.

Now that it's over and done with, I can honestly say Fury will beat Wilder any day of the week from here on out.

Why?

First of all, Fury's fear of getting tagged by Wilder is all but gone. The bully has been bullied, sort to speak.

In fact, once Fury got up from that fearful KD in Fight #1, he realized he had just survived the worst Wilder could dish out.

Fury came into this fight aggressively, never letting Wilder set himself...... forcing Deontay to back up.

As bad a boxer as people feel Wilder is (IMO he's ok moving forward), he's a helluva lot worse backing up.



Yes..... the shot to the side of the head seemed to bust his eardrum. It was all downhill from there.

But Wilder ducked into that shot. Fury did not throw an illegal shot.


Having said all this, I think Wilder can come back and at 100% has at least a 50/50 shot to beat Joshua. That is.......... if Joshua would ever give him the opportunity, which we all know he won't.

(Cue Beanz to come in here and say I said Joshua is a shitty boxer and a lousy tipper at restaurants.)

[Gandalf]

Never rule anything out in boxing, Tito. That is being objective. The rematch will happen and all questions can and will be answered. People are alwayschigh after a fight. Don't forget Fury was 'done' a fight ago. A new camp, a change of mindset, and things can and do change quickly.

I would say Fury is favorite in a rematch, but Wilder will be a live underdog.

[Gandalf]

Going on the first several minutes and after I think we saw something similar to the first to begin with and then it changed. Wilder only outclassed following the KD. Even Ortiz had a better opening several minutes. I really think the dodgy back of the head ear bleeder made the fight play out as it did.

So, let Wilder recover and settle it once,and for all. Whoever wins can then retire Joshua.

[TitoFan]

Never rule anything out in boxing, Tito. That is being objective. The rematch will happen and all questions can and will be answered. People are alwayschigh after a fight. Don't forget Fury was 'done' a fight ago. A new camp, a change of mindset, and things can and do change quickly.

I would say Fury is favorite in a rematch, but Wilder will be a live underdog.

First, the rematch is no sure thing. Let's start there. Questions? I don't know too many more questions left unanswered. Both went into the fight knowing what to expect from the other. Trilogies are sometimes fun and even needed..... but not all the time. Granted, if a 3rd fight occurred, I'd be rooting for Wilder again. But Fury's a smart guy. He's also an emboldened guy. Wilder's right hand was the huge question mark going into the 1st fight. How would Fury react? Question answered. Yes..... Fury is a maddening fighter to follow. He can implode as easily as he can improve. So everything's possible.

But right now I'd be looking at other horizons for the both of them.

[Beanz]

I have no words for such shitwittery.

[sanatogen]

Just on thevpassing, found this short interview withbMax Kellerman before the fight where he lays it out.

[TitoFan]

I have no words for such shitwittery.

...... and that's with me defending Fury over Wilder. Imagine how'd you feel if I was dumping on Fury. You'd have to double up on your meds.

[Beanz]

I have no words for such shitwittery.

...... and that's with me defending Fury over Wilder. Imagine how'd you feel if I was dumping on Fury. You'd have to double up on your meds.

That was a perfectly valid and rational response to Gandalfs idea that despite dominating Wilder for nearly 17 rounds now, it was all just a fluke, and not something Fury could replicate. To contort yourself that much in order to avoid giving a boxer like Fury credit is beyond stupid and shows a crass disrespect for both boxers. Not everything is about you believe it or not.

[Gandalf]

I have no words for such shitwittery.

Beanz wants to be a wanker? Okay, here goes....

They made a film recently called Parasite about a creepy man who cannot make eye contact who preys on single mothers as he thinks they have lower expectations of the men they are dating as nobody else will touch him with a barge pole. Or was that About a Boy with Hugh Grant? Check it out.

[Gandalf]

I have no words for such shitwittery.

Beanz do not lie. It all started with this amazing contribution to the thread. All I was doing was making a few observations on a fight and you couldn't control yourself. You had to reduce the tone to ESB level language with your own personal vendetta. You had no politeness and could have just pointed out why I was wrong, but no. It was just typical loutish, thuggery in a thread where everyone was getting on. Isn't that a good thing when that is happening? I was saying funny things, just observing things, and just hanging with my boxing crew and you lowered it man.

So, you have tried to twist it, but that is where it started.

[TitoFan]

I have no words for such shitwittery.

Beanz do not lie. It all started with this amazing contribution to the thread. All I was doing was making a few observations on a fight and you couldn't control yourself. You had to reduce the tone to ESB level language with your own personal vendetta. You had no politeness and could have just pointed out why I was wrong, but no. It was just typical loutish, thuggery in a thread where everyone was getting on. Isn't that a good thing when that is happening? I was saying funny things, just observing things, and just hanging with my boxing crew and you lowered it man.

So, you have tried to twist it, but that is where it started.

Pay no mind, Miles. He's already been told to keep his shit off the boxing boards, as should we. If he persists, that's his goddamn problem.

Let's get back to discussing how it's too bad Wilder will never get a crack at Joshua now that he's lost so devastatingly to Fury.

[Gandalf]

Never rule anything out in boxing, Tito. That is being objective. The rematch will happen and all questions can and will be answered. People are alwayschigh after a fight. Don't forget Fury was 'done' a fight ago. A new camp, a change of mindset, and things can and do change quickly.

I would say Fury is favorite in a rematch, but Wilder will be a live underdog.

First, the rematch is no sure thing. Let's start there. Questions? I don't know too many more questions left unanswered. Both went into the fight knowing what to expect from the other. Trilogies are sometimes fun and even needed..... but not all the time. Granted, if a 3rd fight occurred, I'd be rooting for Wilder again. But Fury's a smart guy. He's also an emboldened guy. Wilder's right hand was the huge question mark going into the 1st fight. How would Fury react? Question answered. Yes..... Fury is a maddening fighter to follow. He can implode as easily as he can improve. So everything's possible.

But right now I'd be looking at other horizons for the both of them.

The rematch is in the contract and apparently Wilder wants it.

No doubt Fury will be favorite and fair play if he wins convincingly, but there are some question marks here. For two rounds it was similar to the first fight then following the back of the head/ear club Wilder had the stanky leg kind of Tyson/Williams or Toney/Lebvedev style. He was just surviving and to be fair to him he had no quit in him.

I am all for it if Wilder really wants to go for it. I have not flip flopped on this as I was there in the thread from the off saying 'That doesn't look right'. I thought an ankle or something, but wasn't watching on a good screen. I didn't even realize there was blood gushing from the ear until after and that's when I thought 'Ahh, that's why he couldn't balance'.

[TitoFan]

Never rule anything out in boxing, Tito. That is being objective. The rematch will happen and all questions can and will be answered. People are alwayschigh after a fight. Don't forget Fury was 'done' a fight ago. A new camp, a change of mindset, and things can and do change quickly.

I would say Fury is favorite in a rematch, but Wilder will be a live underdog.

First, the rematch is no sure thing. Let's start there. Questions? I don't know too many more questions left unanswered. Both went into the fight knowing what to expect from the other. Trilogies are sometimes fun and even needed..... but not all the time. Granted, if a 3rd fight occurred, I'd be rooting for Wilder again. But Fury's a smart guy. He's also an emboldened guy. Wilder's right hand was the huge question mark going into the 1st fight. How would Fury react? Question answered. Yes..... Fury is a maddening fighter to follow. He can implode as easily as he can improve. So everything's possible.

But right now I'd be looking at other horizons for the both of them.

The rematch is in the contract and apparently Wilder wants it.

No doubt Fury will be favorite and fair play if he wins convincingly, but there are some question marks here. For two rounds it was similar to the first fight then following the back of the head/ear club Wilder had the stanky leg kind of Tyson/Williams or Toney/Lebvedev style. He was just surviving and to be fair to him he had no quit in him.

I am all for it if Wilder really wants to go for it. I have not flip flopped on this as I was there in the thread from the off saying 'That doesn't look right'. I thought an ankle or something, but wasn't watching on a good screen. I didn't even realize there was blood gushing from the ear until after and that's when I thought 'Ahh, that's why he couldn't balance'.

For two rounds it was certainly NOT similar to the first fight. I don't recall Fury coming at Wilder like gangbusters in the first two rounds..... hell..... in the first 5 or 6 rounds of their first fight. Here he did. And it worked wonders.

Granted, I think the blood gushing out of Wilder's ear was a clear sign something was terribly wrong. To ignore that is to be foolish.

So Wilder may well want the rematch with Fury. Contracts in boxing are worth about as much as a Beanz post on "the truth"....... so there's no telling if that will ever happen. It's up to Fury, I would guess.

I just think Fury's size will always give Wilder fits, and the added dimension of fear is no longer in Fury's mind.

(Cue Beanz coming in and saying I said Fury is scared of everybody, and has terrible table manners.)

[Gandalf]

Never rule anything out in boxing, Tito. That is being objective. The rematch will happen and all questions can and will be answered. People are alwayschigh after a fight. Don't forget Fury was 'done' a fight ago. A new camp, a change of mindset, and things can and do change quickly.

I would say Fury is favorite in a rematch, but Wilder will be a live underdog.

First, the rematch is no sure thing. Let's start there. Questions? I don't know too many more questions left unanswered. Both went into the fight knowing what to expect from the other. Trilogies are sometimes fun and even needed..... but not all the time. Granted, if a 3rd fight occurred, I'd be rooting for Wilder again. But Fury's a smart guy. He's also an emboldened guy. Wilder's right hand was the huge question mark going into the 1st fight. How would Fury react? Question answered. Yes..... Fury is a maddening fighter to follow. He can implode as easily as he can improve. So everything's possible.

But right now I'd be looking at other horizons for the both of them.

The rematch is in the contract and apparently Wilder wants it.

No doubt Fury will be favorite and fair play if he wins convincingly, but there are some question marks here. For two rounds it was similar to the first fight then following the back of the head/ear club Wilder had the stanky leg kind of Tyson/Williams or Toney/Lebvedev style. He was just surviving and to be fair to him he had no quit in him.

I am all for it if Wilder really wants to go for it. I have not flip flopped on this as I was there in the thread from the off saying 'That doesn't look right'. I thought an ankle or something, but wasn't watching on a good screen. I didn't even realize there was blood gushing from the ear until after and that's when I thought 'Ahh, that's why he couldn't balance'.

For two rounds it was certainly NOT similar to the first fight. I don't recall Fury coming at Wilder like gangbusters in the first two rounds..... hell..... in the first 5 or 6 rounds of their first fight. Here he did. And it worked wonders.

Granted, I think the blood gushing out of Wilder's ear was a clear sign something was terribly wrong. To ignore that is to be foolish.

So Wilder may well want the rematch with Fury. Contracts in boxing are worth about as much as a Beanz post on "the truth"....... so there's no telling if that will ever happen. It's up to Fury, I would guess.

I just think Fury's size will always give Wilder fits, and the added dimension of fear is no longer in Fury's mind.

(Cue Beanz coming in and saying I said Fury is scared of everybody, and has terrible table manners.)

I mean similar in that they were close rounds where Fury had the slight edge in punches landed and Wilder landed a few of his own. Sure Fury was coming forward, but even Ortiz was coming forward with smart pressure. It is nothing all that new against Wilder who generally eases through early rounds against riskier fighters.

It only became genuinely different following the discombobulated ear incident. Now for me it was a genuinely different fight from that point on. Wilder was not right. It happens, I mean I think Fury was hit with an awkward looking one with the first KD last time too, but thankfully not so bad.

One more time. I think Fury is up for it and will be sky high and if Wilder wants to let it all go then why not? Only Wilder genuinely knows what went wrong and if he wants a rematch then it suggests he knows things can be done differently. It couldn't have been much worse so expect a better showing next time. 😮