Impeachment

**Master** · 02-26-2020 10:41 AM

That sounds like an abuse of power by those particular Unions which is counterproductive as it is letting their members down. Unions do not want to bring down companies/economies because it hurts their own members.

Over here there has been an erosion of workers’ rights which has led to zero hour contracts and low pay. Yet the super-rich get even wealthier. I would rather the money be more equally and fairly distributed than it going to a few at the top.

**walrus** · 02-26-2020 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Master

That sounds like an abuse of power by those particular Unions which is counterproductive as it is letting their members down. Unions do not want to bring down companies/economies because it hurts their own members.

Over here there has been an erosion of workers’ rights which has led to zero hour contracts and low pay. Yet the super-rich get even wealthier. I would rather the money be more equally and fairly distributed than it going to a few at the top.

Ya I get you. I’m not saying it’s perfect here. Plenty of companies take advantage of workers when they can but too many unions, especially public unions, are willing to kill a state to keep pockets full. I’m not saying unions are inherently bad unfunded pension liabilities are sinking companies and states. Shit I’d love to see everyone make 100 bucks an hour. None of us are dumb, we can see both sides of the issue and they both have merit but when the unions can’t be be separated from politics and everybody’s goal is to stay in power and not have an army of workers but an army of voters you can see how that becomes problematic. If private businesses saw what they were really paying for with these public unions I think we would have a mini revolution but we are probably about 20 years away from that right now. I live in one of the highest taxed states in the US we have a nasty deficit and it’s all due to the public union.

**Master** · 02-26-2020 11:23 AM

Working in the public sector has benefits of job security for relatively lower pay. The pension is better and so it should be for staff. I would not begrudge them having a decent income when they retire. They have stopped final salary pensions over here and introduced average payment schemes. This is a lot better than the private sector, which I have been taken over by and they will try and take these benefits away but for the unions.

**walrus** · 02-26-2020 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Master

Working in the public sector has benefits of job security for relatively lower pay. The pension is better and so it should be for staff. I would not begrudge them having a decent income when they retire. They have stopped final salary pensions over here and introduced average payment schemes. This is a lot better than the private sector, which I have been taken over by and they will try and take these benefits away but for the unions.

Shoot in many cases here the public sector pay rate is 2-3 times that of the private. And that’s just straight pay not taking into account all the benefits. Shit I had a car for a few years. But perhaps we are comparing apples and oranges I don’t know how you guys do things.

**Master** · 02-26-2020 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by walrus

Originally Posted by Master

Working in the public sector has benefits of job security for relatively lower pay. The pension is better and so it should be for staff. I would not begrudge them having a decent income when they retire. They have stopped final salary pensions over here and introduced average payment schemes. This is a lot better than the private sector, which I have been taken over by and they will try and take these benefits away but for the unions.

Shoot in many cases here the public sector pay rate is 2-3 times that of the private. And that’s just straight pay not taking into account all the benefits. Shit I had a car for a few years. But perhaps we are comparing apples and oranges I don’t know how you guys do things.

We get no car in the public sector just 45p per mile using our own vehicle. Unions here are linked to the Labour party which influence policy but that is better than a millionaires donating to the Tory party to keep business taxes low for them.

**Kirkland Laing** · 02-26-2020 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by walrus

Originally Posted by Master

Working in the public sector has benefits of job security for relatively lower pay. The pension is better and so it should be for staff. I would not begrudge them having a decent income when they retire. They have stopped final salary pensions over here and introduced average payment schemes. This is a lot better than the private sector, which I have been taken over by and they will try and take these benefits away but for the unions.

Shoot in many cases here the public sector pay rate is 2-3 times that of the private. And that’s just straight pay not taking into account all the benefits. Shit I had a car for a few years. But perhaps we are comparing apples and oranges I don’t know how you guys do things.

Name some of these cases. Show some actual examples of wages, salaries and so on.

**walrus** · 02-28-2020 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by walrus

Originally Posted by Master

Working in the public sector has benefits of job security for relatively lower pay. The pension is better and so it should be for staff. I would not begrudge them having a decent income when they retire. They have stopped final salary pensions over here and introduced average payment schemes. This is a lot better than the private sector, which I have been taken over by and they will try and take these benefits away but for the unions.

Shoot in many cases here the public sector pay rate is 2-3 times that of the private. And that’s just straight pay not taking into account all the benefits. Shit I had a car for a few years. But perhaps we are comparing apples and oranges I don’t know how you guys do things.

Name some of these cases. Show some actual examples of wages, salaries and so on.

I actually can do that sir. I can give you at least two names out of the alleged 12-14 which it wasn’t that many. But first, since you brought it up, who do you know amongst the group? You live in the US I’m sure you would have contacts.

El Kabong · 02-26-2020 02:55 PM

If Unions = Good then perhaps someone will explain Progressive "news" organization The Young Turks wanting to keep their business Union free.

**Kirkland Laing** · 02-26-2020 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by El Kabong

If Unions = Good then perhaps someone will explain Progressive "news" organization The Young Turks wanting to keep their business Union free.

This is a boss who wants to keep as much money as he possibly can for himself. You can call him a hypocrite, he definitely is but it's just another example of what I'm talking about. Hopefully the people working for him manage to unionise.

**Gandalf** · 02-28-2020 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by El Kabong

If Unions = Good then perhaps someone will explain Progressive "news" organization The Young Turks wanting to keep their business Union free.

This is a boss who wants to keep as much money as he possibly can for himself. You can call him a hypocrite, he definitely is but it's just another example of what I'm talking about. Hopefully the people working for him manage to unionise.

Being his business does he not have the right to determine what he wants to pay? He was kind enough to employ them. If they don't like it they could join a rival who will offer more or else start their own cooperative.