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    Default Re: New trainer for Wilder?

    Manny blamed his socks one time. The parallels are there is all I'm saying
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    Default Re: New trainer for Wilder?

    More than a new trainer, which I agree Wilder does need, maybe Wilder should take Big George up on his offer.

    https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/02...-visiting-him/

    A lot of wisdom comes from experience. If anyone suffered a catastrophic first loss after being seen as virtually invincible, it was George Foreman.

    Wilder needs a little help getting his head straight after that comprehensive beating. Foreman can help with that.

    Will Deontay accept the offer? I doubt it. His damaged ego probably won't let him.

    But I think he'd benefit from it.

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    Most of the guys that could have sorted him out and rewired him are gone.

    - Eddie Futch could train a variety of styles.
    - Manny Steward would have been an obvious choice considering his affinity long tall fighters. Fury already bagged what was left of Manny's legacy
    - Rich Giachetti, would have had a lot to teach Wilder, but I don't know if there would have been enough raw material to work with for him. Its not like Holmes.


    Roach would be good in the sense that He can probably teach wilder to set up that right better and land it from some different angles. The problem is I think Freddy would wear wilder out. Wilder couldn't stay on his toes for that long and still do everything he needs to work a jab, angles and circle instead of moving straight back. Wilder already wears himself out with bad form and big misses a lot of time.

    Ronnie Shields had some heavyweights (a few of wilders opponents arreola, szpilka- so hes already familiar with him) hanging with wilder till he got caught and has some good fighters (lara, rigo, etc) in his stable that wilder can glean things from. They have that southern life connection but Does he have enough time to concentrate on wilder though.

    Buddy mcgirt has been known for some good makeovers in a fighters twilight (gatti, Kovalev, etc) gets points alone for the midfight haircut he gave malignaggi.

    Joe Goosen always seemed to be good about keeping it simple and effective. Hes understood by his fighters and can rally them late in a fight.

    I'd probably look at the last two if I was making a decision. They seem to provide the biggest turnover in the shortest amount of time.
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    AJ went away and learnt box to box after his 7 round hammering. Can wilder do the same?
    Unlikely when you consider AJ was more humble and willing to learn but so far all wilder has done is make excuses. In his mid 30s and total lack of fundamentals to work with I think he hopelessly swings away in the rematch looking desperately for power punches but taken out quicker

    no trainer can save him IMO so it doesn't matter who he chooses

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    A different trainer might not save him but for the next 2-3 years of his career there must be some improvement from the last Fury fight?!

    Fury changed trainer for 2 months and look what happened..I know Fury is a different type of fighter but if he had came in against wilder with the same “play it safe” display with Ben Davison who’s to say whether he would have won or not?

    Wilder MUST change his complete set up, trainer, conditioning and attack the trilogy fight in a completely different manner or it’s another easy loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAME View Post
    AJ went away and learnt box to box after his 7 round hammering. Can wilder do the same?
    Unlikely when you consider AJ was more humble and willing to learn but so far all wilder has done is make excuses. In his mid 30s and total lack of fundamentals to work with I think he hopelessly swings away in the rematch looking desperately for power punches but taken out quicker

    no trainer can save him IMO so it doesn't matter who he chooses
    Perhaps he doesn’t need to box..perhaps he needs to fight smart..what trainers are the best at that?

    Everyone has been moaning about Wilders boxing for years..we know he’s the worst out of the 3..it’s too late to outbox Fury and AJ but can he fight smart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    More than a new trainer, which I agree Wilder does need, maybe Wilder should take Big George up on his offer.

    https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/02...-visiting-him/

    A lot of wisdom comes from experience. If anyone suffered a catastrophic first loss after being seen as virtually invincible, it was George Foreman.

    Wilder needs a little help getting his head straight after that comprehensive beating. Foreman can help with that.

    Will Deontay accept the offer? I doubt it. His damaged ego probably won't let him.

    But I think he'd benefit from it.


    Seems like Wilder is open to the idea.

    https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/03...reman-to-talk/


    Good choice. His ego should be put aside and he should be willing to accept whatever positive feedback from anyone who can actually help him.

    I don't think Foreman should coach him.... but I think Foreman can help work with his head a little.

    Read something about Floyd, too. I'm not so sure that would be a good idea.

    Wilder is incapable of totally retooling..... and Floyd is too much of a loose cannon, IMO, to dedicate himself fully to the task of improving Wilder without injecting some of his own ego issues.


    For sure Wilder needs to make some serious adjustments and be willing to learn some new skills. But keep it real.

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    Default Re: New trainer for Wilder?

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    More than a new trainer, which I agree Wilder does need, maybe Wilder should take Big George up on his offer.

    https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/02...-visiting-him/

    A lot of wisdom comes from experience. If anyone suffered a catastrophic first loss after being seen as virtually invincible, it was George Foreman.

    Wilder needs a little help getting his head straight after that comprehensive beating. Foreman can help with that.

    Will Deontay accept the offer? I doubt it. His damaged ego probably won't let him.

    But I think he'd benefit from it.


    Seems like Wilder is open to the idea.

    https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/03...reman-to-talk/


    Good choice. His ego should be put aside and he should be willing to accept whatever positive feedback from anyone who can actually help him.

    I don't think Foreman should coach him.... but I think Foreman can help work with his head a little.

    Read something about Floyd, too. I'm not so sure that would be a good idea.

    Wilder is incapable of totally retooling..... and Floyd is too much of a loose cannon, IMO, to dedicate himself fully to the task of improving Wilder without injecting some of his own ego issues.


    For sure Wilder needs to make some serious adjustments and be willing to learn some new skills. But keep it real.
    I think the mental aspect is the most telling and the best insight that Foreman could possibly offer. Can't see him coaching or training either as they were both hailed as 'huge punchers' but of very different physical make up and um speeds. Although Foreman was pretty unorthodox in his own way he also knew how to use his size, cross arms and pushing a guy on the shoulders to square them up. Wilder is more single brick and bomb chucker with massive gaps in his ring awareness. First thing..Wilder needs to come down to Earth and climb out of his glass bubble. You're not a super hero with magical powers...you're a tough guy who talks loud and hits hard who can't afford another slip up like that.

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