For what it's worth I think Ortiz is still top ten easily. He's a skilled fighter.

The whole bogeyman thing is bit of a myth though isn't it? It was sort of born on the back of the Jennings win I think which was a good performance at the time but enough to instate someone as some sort of champion elect being swerved by every man and his dog?

Obviously he frightened the life out of Eddie Hearn who decided it was best to have Ortiz firmly in his back pocket to avoid having him undoubtedly knocking seven shades out of Joshua at the time. Far better to have Ortiz labour past Dave Allen......DAVE ALLEN!! Dave Allen of course who coming off a 'World class' win over Lucas Browne which bizarrely, allegedly put him within touching distance of a crack at a World title of sorts got completely outclassed and beaten to a pulp by David price.

Not to gloss over the good work he did with Wilder. He won the majority of the rounds they boxed. Is winning rounds against Wilder such a mean feat though? Do you have to be the cream of the crop to accomplish that?