Post your top ten heavyweights

[Fenster]

Nobody is debating who has fought the better competition throughout their careers. The question is as of right now.

Povetkin's "draw" (should have been a win) against Hunter is much better than Ortiz being KOed by Wilder.

Ortiz faded in the mid-rounds against Wilder, while Povetkin came on in the late rounds against Hunter, who looked like a beaten man the last couple of rounds.

I'd sooner see Povetkin vs. Ortiz (old vs. old, a fair fight) than prime Whyte against old Povetkin. I'm quite sure Povetkin would win by KO in rounds 7 to 12.

I wouldn’t say Ortiz faded. I think he more just got caught. But Povetkin did much worse against AJ than Ortiz did against Wilder. I know you think AJ is much better, but as I point out earlier, Ortiz has lost twice to Wilder and was winning both fights. And Ortiz has been avoided throughout his career.

This is a non point. Hence I brought up who lost against the best opposition. For all we know Ortiz knocks AJ out in a round or vice versa. Povetkin knocks Wilder out in a round or vice versa. Etc. Etc. Etc.

You can claim Ortiz is better than Povetkin. More skilled. Beats him. You can't claim he has better current form because he was knocked out by Wilder whilst Povetkin was beat by AJ.

This is why nerd (hardcore) fans are harsh on guys like Wilder and Ortiz. There's no substance to their records, you have to bring up outside stuff like "he was ducked" - coulda, woulda, shoulda. Means nothing.

How do we know Wilder beats Parker, Povetkin, Chisora, Whyte, Ruiz, Hunter? How do we know Ortiz beats them? They both have really weak records. It doesn't mean they couldn't or wouldn't have won. Just they haven't fought/beat anyone but each other.