three guys you 100% think beat canelo

[TIC]

billy joe would be abused. callum already shat himself. dmitry & artur are vulnerable but artur's power is dangerous. dre would be carried. ggg gets rolled. good call on caleb but he would get hurt against a p4p fighter like canelo. outside of artur we might have to look above lightheavy to find a challenge for canelo

[Primo Carnera]

I think you’re building Canelo up to be some sort of superhero here. Don’t get me wrong, he’s good, very good, but there’s no doubt he’s been cleverly matched.
If he fought Beterbiev or Bivol, (which unquestionably he wouldn’t ! “Risk/reward and all that.) it would be the first time that he’s given away the right to any advantages .
Well second time actually, and when that happened, Floyd beat him.

[p4pking]

Well saying anyone 100% beats him is a little bit much. The whole point of wanting top fights to happen is because that's never going to be the case. He is fundamentally very sound, has legit power and a granite chin, and unlike many guys you could name here he isn't on the decline. Beterbiev and Ward would be my top two as far as who i would favour to beat him, Bivol also has every chance. I think how effective he is at 175 is still a bit of a question mark, as Kovalev wasn't exactly red hot and still gave him big trouble(I didn't think Kov was winning like many did, but there was room for him to have been, if that makes sense.) Callum Smith does marginally better than his brother did imo, Saunders would need to box out of his skin to capitalize on what advantages he'd have, and GGG is clearly not the same fighter who beat Canelo the first time, regardless of how you scored the second, they are going in different directions. David Benavidez would have the best chance of anyone not mentioned so far, that's a great fight.

[TIC]

Well saying anyone 100% beats him is a little bit much. The whole point of wanting top fights to happen is because that's never going to be the case. He is fundamentally very sound, has legit power and a granite chin, and unlike many guys you could name here he isn't on the decline. Beterbiev and Ward would be my top two as far as who i would favour to beat him, Bivol also has every chance. I think how effective he is at 175 is still a bit of a question mark, as Kovalev wasn't exactly red hot and still gave him big trouble(I didn't think Kov was winning like many did, but there was room for him to have been, if that makes sense.) Callum Smith does marginally better than his brother did imo, Saunders would need to box out of his skin to capitalize on what advantages he'd have, and GGG is clearly not the same fighter who beat Canelo the first time, regardless of how you scored the second, they are going in different directions. David Benavidez would have the best chance of anyone not mentioned so far, that's a great fight.

you are right, lets not say 100%, lets say who he would be the underdog against

[TitoFan]

I think you’re building Canelo up to be some sort of superhero here. Don’t get me wrong, he’s good, very good, but there’s no doubt he’s been cleverly matched.
If he fought Beterbiev or Bivol, (which unquestionably he wouldn’t ! “Risk/reward and all that.) it would be the first time that he’s given away the right to any advantages .
Well second time actually, and when that happened, Floyd beat him.

You have GOT to be f**king kidding me....

Canelo gave away his right to any advantages against Floyd??

Ok so for someone who started his pro career at superfeatherweight, and arguably had some of his glory years at 140 and below...... to be cajoled up to 152 for Ginger..... when Ginger was the titlist just two pounds north of that.......

And he "gave away his right to any advantages"?

I'm sorry..... did I miss something here?



By the way, Floyd shut out his ass even WITH the obvious weight and power advantage. It's the only way Ginger agrees to fights.

[Spicoli]

There's no 100% in boxing. Of anything let alone beating or meeting someone. Sometimes things go sideways, guys phone it in just happy to be there, divas eat to many special steaks and forfeit dates, judges drink to much at the open bar before sitting down with pen in hand. Canelos two hardest more impressive W's are equally flanked by guys perceived to be the weakest links aka belt holders in higher divisions. If he's asking himself who stands a great chance of beating him at 175 he full well knows he's not about to sign for Beterbiev or Bivol. Which he will not and shows no interest in doing so. It's not like he can blame Corona for uncertainty and fans not clamoring for a certain huge scalp..he and Hearn seemed rudderless beforehand opponent wise. Golovkin III seems all but inevitable and he'll probably require him to come up in weight, to which Golovkin will completely comply at this stage.

[TIC]

There's no 100% in boxing. Of anything let alone beating or meeting someone. Sometimes things go sideways, guys phone it in just happy to be there, divas eat to many special steaks and forfeit dates, judges drink to much at the open bar before sitting down with pen in hand. Canelos two hardest more impressive W's are equally flanked by guys perceived to be the weakest links aka belt holders in higher divisions. If he's asking himself who stands a great chance of beating him at 175 he full well knows he's not about to sign for Beterbiev or Bivol. Which he will not and shows no interest in doing so. It's not like he can blame Corona for uncertainty and fans not clamoring for a certain huge scalp..he and Hearn seemed rudderless beforehand opponent wise. Golovkin III seems all but inevitable and he'll probably require him to come up in weight, to which Golovkin will completely comply at this stage.

yeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fights

[Spicoli]

There's no 100% in boxing. Of anything let alone beating or meeting someone. Sometimes things go sideways, guys phone it in just happy to be there, divas eat to many special steaks and forfeit dates, judges drink to much at the open bar before sitting down with pen in hand. Canelos two hardest more impressive W's are equally flanked by guys perceived to be the weakest links aka belt holders in higher divisions. If he's asking himself who stands a great chance of beating him at 175 he full well knows he's not about to sign for Beterbiev or Bivol. Which he will not and shows no interest in doing so. It's not like he can blame Corona for uncertainty and fans not clamoring for a certain huge scalp..he and Hearn seemed rudderless beforehand opponent wise. Golovkin III seems all but inevitable and he'll probably require him to come up in weight, to which Golovkin will completely comply at this stage.

yeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fights

He can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.

[TIC]

There's no 100% in boxing. Of anything let alone beating or meeting someone. Sometimes things go sideways, guys phone it in just happy to be there, divas eat to many special steaks and forfeit dates, judges drink to much at the open bar before sitting down with pen in hand. Canelos two hardest more impressive W's are equally flanked by guys perceived to be the weakest links aka belt holders in higher divisions. If he's asking himself who stands a great chance of beating him at 175 he full well knows he's not about to sign for Beterbiev or Bivol. Which he will not and shows no interest in doing so. It's not like he can blame Corona for uncertainty and fans not clamoring for a certain huge scalp..he and Hearn seemed rudderless beforehand opponent wise. Golovkin III seems all but inevitable and he'll probably require him to come up in weight, to which Golovkin will completely comply at this stage.

yeh i just said that to p4pking above. it looked like billy joe was going to be next before covid, he fought sergey before artur & dmitry have, with only one fight at the weight, he can't fight everyone in a night. he still has fights left on his dazn deal so lets see who he fights

He can show an interest and direction to fight everyone or anyone at the weight..it's a start.

he offered callum a fight & was turned down, then it looked like billy joe would get the fight, line em up

[TIC]

I think you’re building Canelo up to be some sort of superhero here. Don’t get me wrong, he’s good, very good, but there’s no doubt he’s been cleverly matched.
If he fought Beterbiev or Bivol, (which unquestionably he wouldn’t ! “Risk/reward and all that.) it would be the first time that he’s given away the right to any advantages .
Well second time actually, and when that happened, Floyd beat him.

do you think austin, floyd, erislandy, ggg & jacobs were clever matching?

[Primo Carnera]

I think you’re building Canelo up to be some sort of superhero here. Don’t get me wrong, he’s good, very good, but there’s no doubt he’s been cleverly matched.
If he fought Beterbiev or Bivol, (which unquestionably he wouldn’t ! “Risk/reward and all that.) it would be the first time that he’s given away the right to any advantages .
Well second time actually, and when that happened, Floyd beat him.

do you think austin, floyd, erislandy, ggg & jacobs were clever matching?

Trout - meh ! Why shouldn’t he have fought him and beat him at the time? Or do you have to have a whole career of dead certs?
Floyd - no . I said that, if you care to look.
Lara - a lot of people thought he lost.
GGG - undoubtedly yes! I have to say it’s just as much Golovkin’s fault for hanging on Canelo’s nuts for the big payday. But there’s no doubt he waited for Golovkin to grow old . Have to say, he fully deserved his win and draw in my opinion .
Jacobs - kinda. I like Jacobs, but he wasn’t active enough in his career fights wise for whatever reasons , GBP took advantage of that and sneaked a win.
You make it sound like me saying he was cleverly matched is a criticism, whereas it’s not , if anything it’s a compliment. “Law of the Jungle, A-side,B-side” and all that.
But hey, i’ll See your names, and raise you Rhodes, Hatton, Gomez,Cintron , Moseley, Angulo, Kirkland, Khan, Liam Smith, Chavez, Fielding and Kovalev, and tell me he wasn’t “cleverly matched” against them?
Don’t get me wrong, with his record, I wouldn’t argue too strongly with his p4p ranking.
It’s not insulting him to say he could lose to Callum Smith and he would lose to Bivol and Beterbiev. they’re bigger guys with loads of power to someone who started at WW.

[p4pking]

There isn't a fighter who ever boxed you can't play that game with. Canelo has fought a slew of guys he'd get major flack for having not fought otherwise, in fact most of them. Whether anyone like him personally or the way his team negotiates means sweet fuck all... That shouldn't have to be said, but apparently does.

[Master]

I do not think Canelo has improved enough to beat that Floyd he lost against. He is still slow footed, does not cut the ring enough and gets out boxed for many rounds.

[TIC]

I do not think Canelo has improved enough to beat that Floyd he lost against. He is still slow footed, does not cut the ring enough and gets out boxed for many rounds.

canelo fights at middleweight & above these days, floyd was never great enough to make it to that weight

[TIC]

I think you’re building Canelo up to be some sort of superhero here. Don’t get me wrong, he’s good, very good, but there’s no doubt he’s been cleverly matched.
If he fought Beterbiev or Bivol, (which unquestionably he wouldn’t ! “Risk/reward and all that.) it would be the first time that he’s given away the right to any advantages .
Well second time actually, and when that happened, Floyd beat him.

do you think austin, floyd, erislandy, ggg & jacobs were clever matching?

Trout - meh ! Why shouldn’t he have fought him and beat him at the time? Or do you have to have a whole career of dead certs?
Floyd - no . I said that, if you care to look.
Lara - a lot of people thought he lost.
GGG - undoubtedly yes! I have to say it’s just as much Golovkin’s fault for hanging on Canelo’s nuts for the big payday. But there’s no doubt he waited for Golovkin to grow old . Have to say, he fully deserved his win and draw in my opinion .
Jacobs - kinda. I like Jacobs, but he wasn’t active enough in his career fights wise for whatever reasons , GBP took advantage of that and sneaked a win.
You make it sound like me saying he was cleverly matched is a criticism, whereas it’s not , if anything it’s a compliment. “Law of the Jungle, A-side,B-side” and all that.
But hey, i’ll See your names, and raise you Rhodes, Hatton, Gomez,Cintron , Moseley, Angulo, Kirkland, Khan, Liam Smith, Chavez, Fielding and Kovalev, and tell me he wasn’t “cleverly matched” against them?
Don’t get me wrong, with his record, I wouldn’t argue too strongly with his p4p ranking.
It’s not insulting him to say he could lose to Callum Smith and he would lose to Bivol and Beterbiev. they’re bigger guys with loads of power to someone who started at WW.

wasn't trout for the ring belt? he was considered a top guy. i know you said floyd but was it clever matching? it was good money but a serious challenge against one of the best fighters of recent times. he chose to fight erislandy. do you think he was the pick to win the ggg fights? so sergiy d shouldn't have bothered fighting the old guy? he fought jacobs after his performance against ggg. by saying matched cleverly you make it sound like he wasn't in risky fights. every fighter has some padding. canelo would retire callum, dmitry & artur are big risks who fight two weights above middleweight & as you say canelo started at welterweight