Cooking the Books on Covid-19?

[TIC]

Deceptive. Where exactly? You read what you want not what is written. And why is it an exaggeration to point out that direct OR indirect coughing is a way to transfer. Is that not a possibility?

you say stuff like "No I know how that whole thing works". how what whole thing works? i was asking if you believed the virus can jump from someone else onto you, you admit that you don't really know to what degree they make us sick or what they are exposing us to in actuality & it is proven that just because someone is exposed to a certain disease does not mean they will be infected by it, the household with someone sick & not all getting it as an example, me around sick work mates, ask gandalf if any of his students have ever had a cold around him & if he got sick. i'm saying coughing & sneezing directly on other people is an exaggeration. i'm not sure what sort of people you hang around with but that never happens in my everyday life. people cough & sneeze in my vicinity, most will cover their mouths, not all do, kids are the worst & the disease doesn't transfer to me

But you don't 'know' either. None of it. What a given individual has been exposed to..what they carry..what their family members carry..the immune systems of them..who was in the exact location prior..none of it. So yeh in this climate it's common sense to take precautions.

If you're gonna throw around deceptive you really do need to have that zeroed in and/or hone up reading comprehension. Given your base question of 'do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?'

"....yeh I wear one. No I know how that whole thing works. A mask is for others so you don't spritz all over them and common sense to negate or minimize it. Handle money you'll get all the bacteria you want. Someone coughs in your face, on your person..yeh things jump onto you.."

two questions..two yeh answers and explanation why I wear one. No deception fella. Seems pretty clear but down the rabbit hole you run.

i'm not the one saying it's real. you believe it is, then prove it. people get sick because of their weak immune systems. if someone has a compromised immune system they shouldn't be going out, health is the responsibility of the person. so what was it that you know how that whole thing works? so if someone coughs on you & they had the virus it would get on you but the mask can stop it?

[Gandalf]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

[TIC]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

hey gandalf, if you don't mind could i ask why you wear the mask? do you believe that if someone has covid 19 it can jump from them & infect you?

[Gandalf]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

hey gandalf, if you don't mind could i ask why you wear the mask? do you believe that if someone has covid 19 it can jump from them & infect you?

I believe it is infectious, but with so few cases now, the need for masks is almost over. I think it is contagious and for some very risky, but I do not fear for myself. It is hard to get infected if nobody has it.

[TIC]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

hey gandalf, if you don't mind could i ask why you wear the mask? do you believe that if someone has covid 19 it can jump from them & infect you?

I believe it is infectious, but with so few cases now, the need for masks is almost over. I think it is contagious and for some very risky, but I do not fear for myself. It is hard to get infected if nobody has it.

thank you for answering honestly. so you believe the mask will stop it infecting you or just prolong you getting infected?

[Gandalf]

I think masking up reduces your ability to transmit or get a virus. We use masks in all kinds of areas be it medicine, dentistry, and others. Even during the Spanish Flu period people were masked up. It makes sense to try and block virus transmission. However, if you are leaving your eyes uncovered too, then you are not considering all eventualities.

[TIC]

I think masking up reduces your ability to transmit or get a virus. We use masks in all kinds of areas be it medicine, dentistry, and others. Even during the Spanish Flu period people were masked up. It makes sense to try and block virus transmission. However, if you are leaving your eyes uncovered too, then you are not considering all eventualities.

i'm glad you brought up the eyes, would a virus also not be small enough to travel through a mask? also if covid 19 was real would it not be better for someone like yourself, who sounds in pretty good health & age to get it & recover from it?

[TitoFan]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

I apologize if I grouped you and TIC together. Clearly the bolded statement is something TIC would never say.

It's a bit of a fine line between believing something and trying to shove your beliefs at others. And that door swings both ways.

[TIC]

I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.

My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.

Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'

I apologize if I grouped you and TIC together. Clearly the bolded statement is something TIC would never say.

It's a bit of a fine line between believing something and trying to shove your beliefs at others. And that door swings both ways.

you highlighted part of the second paragraph, i have been saying that from the beginning. they have made healthy people afraid of healthy people