Is it Frotch or Frock?

[Primo Carnera]

And he has a point regarding that list, he beat/fought much stronger competition than most of that list.

Absolutely.

Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.

Sorry, I’ve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didn’t materialise, he duly retired.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says “too big and tough for GGG!”
FACT

That was at the end of his career and he was trying to make some big money before retiring. Joe Calzaghe did the same type of thing and should not be penalised for that.

Nah, bollocks mate. If you’re coming to the end of your career and want to make some big dosh, great! But you cannot wear that “never ducked anyone” badge.
And besides, after Groves 2, the money he would’ve made fighting DeGale , GGG or Ward, would not be any less than he woulda got for fighting Chavez.
It’s just that Chavez was the easier fight. So DO NOT give me any of that “fight anyone” bollocks.

The fact that he did not fight anyone after Groves demonstrates that he did not duck anyone as he did not fight again. If he did take on Chavez then you could say he ducked De Gale, Ward, GGG et al but he did not.

He didn’t fight because they couldn’t make the Chavez fight. They could’ve made the other fights but they never BECAUSE HE DIDN’T WANT THEM! How the fuck is that not a duck?

[Master]

And he has a point regarding that list, he beat/fought much stronger competition than most of that list.

Absolutely.

Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.

Sorry, I’ve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didn’t materialise, he duly retired.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says “too big and tough for GGG!”
FACT

That was at the end of his career and he was trying to make some big money before retiring. Joe Calzaghe did the same type of thing and should not be penalised for that.

Nah, bollocks mate. If you’re coming to the end of your career and want to make some big dosh, great! But you cannot wear that “never ducked anyone” badge.
And besides, after Groves 2, the money he would’ve made fighting DeGale , GGG or Ward, would not be any less than he woulda got for fighting Chavez.
It’s just that Chavez was the easier fight. So DO NOT give me any of that “fight anyone” bollocks.

The fact that he did not fight anyone after Groves demonstrates that he did not duck anyone as he did not fight again. If he did take on Chavez then you could say he ducked De Gale, Ward, GGG et al but he did not.

He didn’t fight because they couldn’t make the Chavez fight. They could’ve made the other fights but they never BECAUSE HE DIDN’T WANT THEM! How the fuck is that not a duck?

If they could have made fights against Ward (over here), or GGG then they would have. You assume it was Froch fault and therefore he ducked them but you know it takes 2 to tango. Froch retired so give the man a break it was at the end of his career and he has shown he would have taken on anyone and everyone if he still wanted to carry on boxing but he did not.

[ykdadamaja]

This forum has always been more American-centric than British. Speaking of Froch, 90% of the forum had zero interest until he rocked up in America to get mullered by Taylor. Like every British fighter those days he was a "bum," "protected," "padded Euro record." And he has a point regarding that list, he beat/fought much stronger competition than most of that list.

I always felt this forum was British centric, to be honest with you. But you are right, no one cared about Froch until he beat Taylor.


But his fight with Jean Pascal is a CLASSIC shoot out.

[ykdadamaja]

How do you properly pronouce Carl Froch's last name, is it Frotch as in crotch, or is it Frock as in cock?

Frotch

Next question: What the fuck is a Froch? lolol... Like, I know what a "William-son" is and a "John-son" is but what the fuck is a Froch?

[Primo Carnera]

And he has a point regarding that list, he beat/fought much stronger competition than most of that list.

Absolutely.

Froch could never be accused of ducking anyone, because he was/is, genuinely convinced that he could beat everyone.

Sorry, I’ve got to take issue with that. He refused to entertain the idea of fighting DeGale , (mandatory at the time) Ward, Golovkin , and insisted that he would only fight Chavez in Vegas . When that didn’t materialise, he duly retired.
And to cap it all, 3 days AFTER retiring , he goes on Twitter with a picture of his exposed torso and says “too big and tough for GGG!”
FACT

That was at the end of his career and he was trying to make some big money before retiring. Joe Calzaghe did the same type of thing and should not be penalised for that.

Nah, bollocks mate. If you’re coming to the end of your career and want to make some big dosh, great! But you cannot wear that “never ducked anyone” badge.
And besides, after Groves 2, the money he would’ve made fighting DeGale , GGG or Ward, would not be any less than he woulda got for fighting Chavez.
It’s just that Chavez was the easier fight. So DO NOT give me any of that “fight anyone” bollocks.

The fact that he did not fight anyone after Groves demonstrates that he did not duck anyone as he did not fight again. If he did take on Chavez then you could say he ducked De Gale, Ward, GGG et al but he did not.

He didn’t fight because they couldn’t make the Chavez fight. They could’ve made the other fights but they never BECAUSE HE DIDN’T WANT THEM! How the fuck is that not a duck?

If they could have made fights against Ward (over here), or GGG then they would have. You assume it was Froch fault and therefore he ducked them but you know it takes 2 to tango. Froch retired so give the man a break it was at the end of his career and he has shown he would have taken on anyone and everyone if he still wanted to carry on boxing but he did not.

I don’t know if you’re deluded, blinkered, brainwashed, or just flat out taking the piss. I have HEARD FROCH SAY FROM HIS OWN MOUTH, that he didn’t want to fight all 3!
DeGale - “he didn’t feel he’d earnt it.” HE WAS MANDATORY!
Ward - he “didn’t like his style of fighting” ok Carl. and you say if he could’ve got Ward over here, well:
a.) he probably could’ve. And
b.) He wanted Chavez in Vegas, but not Ward? Hmmmm.
c.) He felt GGG “was too small.” Ok, well prove it and smash him up then! As for getting GGG over here, well he came for Kell Brook, so I’m pretty certain he would’ve come over for Froch.
Come on @Master, you’re making yourself look silly now.

[iwng100]

I never was a Froch or Frotch or Frock fan Primo, not because he beat the Quebeckers but because of his big fucking mouth and his dirty style, but I give him credit for fighting everyone. Refusing to fight against Ward, GGG or DeGale before the retirement doesn't count as a duck for me even if he tried to make some easy money against Chavez Jr.
Ducking at 37 years old, like I said, before the retirement and ducking in your prime are two different things.

[Master]

I never was a Froch or Frotch or Frock fan Primo, not because he beat the Quebeckers but because of his big fucking mouth and his dirty style, but I give him credit for fighting everyone. Refusing to fight against Ward, GGG or DeGale before the retirement doesn't count as a duck for me even if he tried to make some easy money against Chavez Jr.
Ducking at 37 years old, like I said, before the retirement and ducking in your prime are two different things.

Amen. Case closed.

[Primo Carnera]

I never was a Froch or Frotch or Frock fan Primo, not because he beat the Quebeckers but because of his big fucking mouth and his dirty style, but I give him credit for fighting everyone. Refusing to fight against Ward, GGG or DeGale before the retirement doesn't count as a duck for me even if he tried to make some easy money against Chavez Jr.
Ducking at 37 years old, like I said, before the retirement and ducking in your prime are two different things.

I respect your opinion , but if you’re a pro and if you’re a World Champion, I don’t think you get a pass, regardless of age. Especially if you want to make the same massive money .
A duck is a duck.

[Master]

I never was a Froch or Frotch or Frock fan Primo, not because he beat the Quebeckers but because of his big fucking mouth and his dirty style, but I give him credit for fighting everyone. Refusing to fight against Ward, GGG or DeGale before the retirement doesn't count as a duck for me even if he tried to make some easy money against Chavez Jr.
Ducking at 37 years old, like I said, before the retirement and ducking in your prime are two different things.

I respect your opinion , but if you’re a pro and if you’re a World Champion, I don’t think you get a pass, regardless of age. Especially if you want to make the same massive money .
A duck is a duck.

Not if he never fought anyone ever again.

[Primo Carnera]

What’s that got to do with anything?

[johnsebastianmiran]

Putting all the history aside, what is the correct pronounciation of his name?

[iwng100]

I never was a Froch or Frotch or Frock fan Primo, not because he beat the Quebeckers but because of his big fucking mouth and his dirty style, but I give him credit for fighting everyone. Refusing to fight against Ward, GGG or DeGale before the retirement doesn't count as a duck for me even if he tried to make some easy money against Chavez Jr.
Ducking at 37 years old, like I said, before the retirement and ducking in your prime are two different things.

I respect your opinion , but if you’re a pro and if you’re a World Champion, I don’t think you get a pass, regardless of age. Especially if you want to make the same massive money .
A duck is a duck.

I respect your opinion too and I agree with many things you said in other threads, different topics, but I think we have to agree to disagree this time.
Like I said in another post there are very few fighters in the history of this sport who were fighting the best possible opposition until the retirement; the best of this era, Manny and Floyd at 37 years old fought Algieri respectively Maidana ( and he did it twice, imagine that ) and they were still actives. Froch didn't fight anybody after refusing Ward, GGG and DeGale, he retired, we can not consider him active at the time only because he attempted to make a fight with Jr.
No activity, no duck.

[iwng100]

Putting all the history aside, what is the correct pronounciation of his name?

I guess is Farl Croch.

[Primo Carnera]

I never was a Froch or Frotch or Frock fan Primo, not because he beat the Quebeckers but because of his big fucking mouth and his dirty style, but I give him credit for fighting everyone. Refusing to fight against Ward, GGG or DeGale before the retirement doesn't count as a duck for me even if he tried to make some easy money against Chavez Jr.
Ducking at 37 years old, like I said, before the retirement and ducking in your prime are two different things.

I respect your opinion , but if you’re a pro and if you’re a World Champion, I don’t think you get a pass, regardless of age. Especially if you want to make the same massive money .
A duck is a duck.

I respect your opinion too and I agree with many things you said in other threads, different topics, but I think we have to agree to disagree this time.
Like I said in another post there are very few fighters in the history of this sport who were fighting the best possible opposition until the retirement; the best of this era, Manny and Floyd at 37 years old fought Algieri respectively Maidana ( and he did it twice, imagine that ) and they were still actives. Froch didn't fight anybody after refusing Ward, GGG and DeGale, he retired, we can not consider him active at the time only because he attempted to make a fight with Jr.
No activity, no duck.

Like you said, we’ll have to agree to disagree this time.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

They told me CAL-SLAPPY, then I frowned at him for saying that to me because he's a professional and good fighter. But then I saw a collection of Calzaghe fights and he punches fast and volume of punches, but really is true lots of them are slapping kind of slap punches and arm punches.

He looks good and fast but after watching about 7 fights of Calzaghe, it seems he never fought high level competition. And when he did fought RJJ and BHop, they were already an old man.