Cooking the Books on Covid-19?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Well, in the space of about a week or so we've had three different Republican governors act to censor or manipulate data being sent to the public. First, Nebraska declared that it wasn't going to share certain numbers with the public. Then Georgia produced a doctored chart designed to make it look like the virus was in decline. Now Florida fires a statistician who wouldn't alter data to meet a political objective.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Governor DeSantis has been "cooking the books" for some time to keep many deaths off the "official" count. DeSantis has instructed County Coroners not to include Nursing and retirement home and other associated facilities deaths for some time. DeSantis has an agenda and has a close tie with Trump and lower COVID-19 related deaths make Florida and Trump appear that their Pandemic tactics are successful. Most of the local print news are savvy and have figured out what they are doing and know it is for political reasons. Sad that our leaders are more interested in walking the Trump line than serving the Citizens of Florida.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

May 15, 2020 - 02:26 PM EDT
North Carolina sees its worst day of new COVID-19 cases

North Carolina saw its largest daily number of new coronavirus cases on Thursday with 743, bringing the Tar Heel State's total to more than 16,500 as it continues with the first phase of its reopening plan.

"Muh 2nd amendment"

[walrus]

So I found out yesterday that 90% of the deaths from wuhan virus in my state were in nursing homes. This is very sad and I’m not downplaying the deaths, my mother is in a nursing home that had covid. Still my state wasn’t quick to specify that only 10% of the deaths were outside nursing homes. I have talked to a few people who were diagnosed with wuhan, one of them said the muscle pains were intense, like no pain they had experienced before. The others were more mild including one that said he didn’t even know he had it but tested positive as he works in healthcare. Doesn’t sound like it’s fun to have either way. But 90% of the deaths were in nursing homes, that info should have been more readily available.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

So I found out yesterday that 90% of the deaths from wuhan virus in my state were in nursing homes. This is very sad and I’m not downplaying the deaths, my mother is in a nursing home that had covid. Still my state wasn’t quick to specify that only 10% of the deaths were outside nursing homes. I have talked to a few people who were diagnosed with wuhan, one of them said the muscle pains were intense, like no pain they had experienced before. The others were more mild including one that said he didn’t even know he had it but tested positive as he works in healthcare. Doesn’t sound like it’s fun to have either way. But 90% of the deaths were in nursing homes, that info should have been more readily available.

True, should have been more readily. Deaths are one thing, the most terrible, but then there are those who dont die at all. Yet permanently effected negative by it. Lung capacity reduced forever, kidney and heart damage, decreased fucntioning, and now liver damage showing and bile duct too. Kids are getting a second wave after recovering called Kawasaki as well. Its not all just chalking up that deaths are largely of seniors, but its also that means think of it, 10% are NOT nursing homes, so you got young in there too. So what is 10% (and in some states it is 20%) of non-Seniors? Today we closed with 1,577,300 infections total and 93,933 deaths Now even 10% of that would be non-senior citizens = 9,393 young people died already just saying about deaths alone here. That is a tremendous amount in a lousy 2 months time. Since say mid-March. Now 20% in some states = 18,000 deaths of non-seniors, its mind-boggling. Thats in 2 months time.

But its not just deaths that counts. Its permanent damage. We're talking hundreds of thousands. And the curve is still going up. 2nd and 3rd waves coming in a few weeks time from re-opening irresponsibly and prematurely.

[Gandalf]

So I found out yesterday that 90% of the deaths from wuhan virus in my state were in nursing homes. This is very sad and I’m not downplaying the deaths, my mother is in a nursing home that had covid. Still my state wasn’t quick to specify that only 10% of the deaths were outside nursing homes. I have talked to a few people who were diagnosed with wuhan, one of them said the muscle pains were intense, like no pain they had experienced before. The others were more mild including one that said he didn’t even know he had it but tested positive as he works in healthcare. Doesn’t sound like it’s fun to have either way. But 90% of the deaths were in nursing homes, that info should have been more readily available.

True, should have been more readily. Deaths are one thing, the most terrible, but then there are those who dont die at all. Yet permanently effected negative by it. Lung capacity reduced forever, kidney and heart damage, decreased fucntioning, and now liver damage showing and bile duct too. Kids are getting a second wave after recovering called Kawasaki as well. Its not all just chalking up that deaths are largely of seniors, but its also that means think of it, 10% are NOT nursing homes, so you got young in there too. So what is 10% (and in some states it is 20%) of non-Seniors? Today we closed with 1,577,300 infections total and 93,933 deaths Now even 10% of that would be non-senior citizens = 9,393 young people died already just saying about deaths alone here. That is a tremendous amount in a lousy 2 months time. Since say mid-March. Now 20% in some states = 18,000 deaths of non-seniors, its mind-boggling. Thats in 2 months time.

But its not just deaths that counts. Its permanent damage. We're talking hundreds of thousands. And the curve is still going up. 2nd and 3rd waves coming in a few weeks time from re-opening irresponsibly and prematurely.

Do you have any evidence to back up this extraordinary statement? I am sure there is damage for some, but who are these hundreds of thousands with permanent damage? What is your source for this?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Where can somebody start to get through your mule headed bullshit?ANY kind of damage to children counts, doesnt it? Let's first talk about some of the other forms of destruction to children. Must it only be a liver failure? IN the US and worldwide, physical damage aside for the moment, already millions of children will experience infant mortality from it, and an estimated 42-66 million children will fall into extreme poverty as a result of the crisis this year alone. This disease kills in many many ways. That's a direct UN conclusion, "economic hardship experienced by families as a result of the global coronavirus pandemic will result in a hundreds of thousands of additional child deaths in 2020, reversing the last 2 to 3 years of progress in reducing infant mortality within a single year."

"The risks to child mental health and well being are also real and devastating. Millions of refugees and internally displaced children as well as those living in detention and situations of active conflict are especially vulnerable," it said.

Releasing the policy brief, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres said not only are the poorest and most vulnerable members of society are being hardest hit by the pandemic, he is "especially concerned about the well-being of all of the world's children."


On secod thought, I won't even go into the physical damage to people and children, yes, children, from this disease. I won't entertain someone who demands others meet the bar or the burden of proof they subjectively feel is legitimate (note: THIS MEANS YOU) while arrogantly claiming to be the true and legit source of info and data. Your false analogies and smug logical fallacies are all-too-easy to dismantle, it would actually be time-wasting to bother.

Your one of these people who want to call the shots for others/set the bar of the burden of proof on others', while all the while claiming to have the true legit info sources. Anybody who entertains you will just hear your tongue-clucking tsk tsk, you'll never accept or be satisfied. YOu think youre so reasonable and logical, you have convinced yourself you make such good sense and are so sensible. You comically quoted Ron Paul, yeah like I said, your sources are always legit, but you questions other's sources. Ron Paul, one person, ONE SINGLE PERSON, but if someone shows you their sources, if its a study group or whatever it may be, no, that will be scoffed at by you. YOu will say it doesn't suffice. Because YOU are the rule-maker and YOU are the most reasobale and YOU make the requirements for the burden of proof. Of course, I have been reading your writing here for a few weeks now, so I know you will only just deny it. I saw you do it to other people on here. Keep up the good work.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

So I found out yesterday that 90% of the deaths from wuhan virus in my state were in nursing homes. This is very sad and I’m not downplaying the deaths, my mother is in a nursing home that had covid. Still my state wasn’t quick to specify that only 10% of the deaths were outside nursing homes. I have talked to a few people who were diagnosed with wuhan, one of them said the muscle pains were intense, like no pain they had experienced before. The others were more mild including one that said he didn’t even know he had it but tested positive as he works in healthcare. Doesn’t sound like it’s fun to have either way. But 90% of the deaths were in nursing homes, that info should have been more readily available.

your state, fine , fair enough, but other states are underreporting.