Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
Jack Johnson who was way ahead of his time and stuck 2 fingers up to white racist society.
True, his level of skill as rugged as it looks to us, was pretty fancy stuff back then!

I think I rate Sullivan on him being there before the others, but as u stated in the other thread, Jeffries is probably the man who deserves to be called a pioneer for beating everyone, only for an ill advised comeback he'd be undefeated with a stacked resume, not padded.

I rate Jack Johnson as a better heavyweight in his prime, or on the mythical P4P list but not so much as a pioneer since he himself had problems with other black fighters. Hard to say if he gave those others of his brothers a chance...he may not have had the title for any length of time.