George Floyd murdered by cops

[Denilson3.0]

[El Kabong]

You just gave a textbook example of how to modify your initial view based on seeing a few more facts. If only everyone here was as flexible...

It's why you and I can totally disagree on something, and yet argue like civil, logical adults. But again, if only...

Back to Floyd however. Let's just say he had resisted arrest. I say his killing by the police officer still amounts to murder.

Nowhere in the police handbook does it justify the killing of a citizen because they've resisted arrest.

They're only supposed to use enough force to subdue the person and perform the arrest.

But lately, especially with "white cop/black man", nothing could be further from reality.

Plenty of killings have happened without due cause.

Remember.... the officer's life or welfare must be endangered before he should be able to use lethal force.

We're waaaaaayyyyy beyond that now... don't you think?

Police forces across America are in dire need of a complete overhaul. Gotta get those rotten apples outta there.

I like to be as informed as possible before committing to one side or the other. Otherwise you're just being used by one side or the other as a dupe.


Yes you and I are good like that we can disagree but understand each other's point of view.


If George Floyd HAD resisted in the situation he was in, being subdued is one thing, being murdered is completely different. Even Bernard Kerik former police commissioner of the NYPD said what the officer did was all kinds of wrong. Yes the officer SHOULD be charged with murder and I think the other 3 officers as well need to be charged either with negligence or something because none of them stopped Chauvin from what he did and the whole "just following orders" thing doesn't jive. That said psychologically groupthink is a difficult thing to shake, there's plenty of studies to show the impact of it. So in order to be righteous in response to this a jury would have to take that under consideration.


As for the rotten apples and the cops....well if there's no respect for the law and there's no respect FROM the law then we're going to have trouble. People don't want to live in fear of criminals but likewise they don't want to live in fear of cops. There's a balance, a homeostasis that we need to return to or achieve. Rioting is only going to tear apart the community in which these people live, letting criminal cops slide is only going to tear apart the community in which these people live.

How do we achieve those things is the big question.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

We don't. Because this s*** hole has bad karma. You going down with the ship?

[El Kabong]

We don't. Because this s*** hole has bad karma. You going down with the ship?

K Brockton, good chat.

[Beanz]

You just gave a textbook example of how to modify your initial view based on seeing a few more facts. If only everyone here was as flexible...

It's why you and I can totally disagree on something, and yet argue like civil, logical adults. But again, if only...

Back to Floyd however. Let's just say he had resisted arrest. I say his killing by the police officer still amounts to murder.

Nowhere in the police handbook does it justify the killing of a citizen because they've resisted arrest.

They're only supposed to use enough force to subdue the person and perform the arrest.

But lately, especially with "white cop/black man", nothing could be further from reality.

Plenty of killings have happened without due cause.

Remember.... the officer's life or welfare must be endangered before he should be able to use lethal force.

We're waaaaaayyyyy beyond that now... don't you think?

Police forces across America are in dire need of a complete overhaul. Gotta get those rotten apples outta there.

I like to be as informed as possible before committing to one side or the other. Otherwise you're just being used by one side or the other as a dupe.


Yes you and I are good like that we can disagree but understand each other's point of view.


If George Floyd HAD resisted in the situation he was in, being subdued is one thing, being murdered is completely different. Even Bernard Kerik former police commissioner of the NYPD said what the officer did was all kinds of wrong. Yes the officer SHOULD be charged with murder and I think the other 3 officers as well need to be charged either with negligence or something because none of them stopped Chauvin from what he did and the whole "just following orders" thing doesn't jive. That said psychologically groupthink is a difficult thing to shake, there's plenty of studies to show the impact of it. So in order to be righteous in response to this a jury would have to take that under consideration.


As for the rotten apples and the cops....well if there's no respect for the law and there's no respect FROM the law then we're going to have trouble. People don't want to live in fear of criminals but likewise they don't want to live in fear of cops. There's a balance, a homeostasis that we need to return to or achieve. Rioting is only going to tear apart the community in which these people live, letting criminal cops slide is only going to tear apart the community in which these people live.

How do we achieve those things is the big question.

What a mealy mouthed piss poor excuse. You can't wait to condemn people usually, and yet here you are pretending that there is some kind of circumstance that would make kneeling on someone's neck until they die not murder.

[El Kabong]

What a mealy mouthed piss poor excuse. You can't wait to condemn people usually, and yet here you are pretending that there is some kind of circumstance that would make kneeling on someone's neck until they die not murder.

Thanks, appreciate it

[TIC]

No. It starts before that.

There is video of Floyd already handcuffed and being led around by a police officer. In no way shape or form is the guy even remotely close to "resisting arrest", the go-to excuse for all police murders nowadays.

The one posted here just started with him on the ground already. I've checked into a bit more and seen more videos yeah, I'd say George Floyd was cooperating fully and under complete control of the 4 officers. I've got 0 clue as to how he got to be underneath the 3 officers and that's unacceptable for anyone to hold someone down with a knee to the carotid artery. What the fuck did he think was going to happen?

Another thing which bothers me is that apparently EMS/Fire checked for a pulse but didn't do any lifesaving procedures which is just as terrifying as how those officers acted.


All that being said all rioting will do is harm working people and then the cops get called in to enforce the law and then what happens all over again?

that isn't procedure after checking for a pulse, no cpr, no defibrillator, red flags. they looked like armed police with vests on, not ems