Anthony Joshuas racist comments

[Gandalf]

You are being needlessly rude, but you make a valid observation. In my flippancy I also ignored my own arguments made repeatedly that a badly raised child will often copy the bad parents. This is why I say be a pointless hedonist, but if you don't want kids you can always choose a vasectomy. Or if you do then you can choose a partner well. We have condoms, the pill etc. So really there is no excuse for it.

I do think this is something made increasingly worse by welfare as historically you were not bailed out for personal irresponsibility. This bailing out of women who choose terrible men is exacerbated by welfare.

It is a dichotomy because in an ideal world people would play fair and not use children or be irresponsible. However, people do not play fair and their lust ends up getting rewarded and hurts children and this leads to social problems.

You were correct to make me expand on that point. I have a gay friend still living the playboy life. It is fine as there will never be kids, but is it good for your soul? That is more a Wildean Dorian Gray question.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

You are being needlessly rude, but you make a valid observation. In my flippancy I also ignored my own arguments made repeatedly that a badly raised child will often copy the bad parents. This is why I say be a pointless hedonist, but if you don't want kids you can always choose a vasectomy. Or if you do then you can choose a partner well. We have condoms, the pill etc. So really there is no excuse for it.

I do think this is something made increasingly worse by welfare as historically you were not bailed out for personal irresponsibility. This bailing out of women who choose terrible men is exacerbated by welfare.

It is a dichotomy because in an ideal world people would play fair and not use children or be irresponsible. However, people do not play fair and their lust ends up getting rewarded and hurts children and this leads to social problems.

You were correct to make me expand on that point. I have a gay friend still living the playboy life. It is fine as there will never be kids, but is it good for your soul? That is more a Wildean Dorian Gray question.

Good post. 🙂

[Gandalf]

Thank you. In a way, apart from the racist nonsense, Joshua was partly arguing for the kind of things argued by Sowell. Sowell was of course once on the left and changed whilst an academic. An ideologue is unable to change, but a flexible mind is! Does he understand economics and history? Did he graduate from High School? You would imagine so. He would argue that prior to the 1960's black Americans were closing the economic gap at a tremendous rate and then the 1960's happened and the problem for black Americans became the welfare state and government interference. It reduced moral standards and created a culture of dependency. A kind of new slavery and with it entitlement, greed, and the loss of values that were once instilled by a stronger sense of family.

This is a great interview.