Cooking the Books on Covid-19?

[Gandalf]

Taking people with anxiety and putting them on ventilators for 29000 dollars? Then death. That is real Nazi shit.

[TitoFan]

Hey you'll both be happy to know there is a growing "Burn your masks" movement gathering steam in N. Carolina. Saw it on the news this morning.

Sounds like the beginning of new clashes in the street. Not between BLM and White Supremacists....... but between mask-wearers and "BYM'ers".

This shit's just gettin' good.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Hey you'll both be happy to know there is a growing "Burn your masks" movement gathering steam in N. Carolina. Saw it on the news this morning.

Sounds like the beginning of new clashes in the street. Not between BLM and White Supremacists....... but between mask-wearers and "BYM'ers".

This shit's just gettin' good.

yeah my wife and I spent 12 days In North Carolina 2 summers ago,....... not the brightest bunch of folks, to put it mildly......

[TitoFan]

Hey you'll both be happy to know there is a growing "Burn your masks" movement gathering steam in N. Carolina. Saw it on the news this morning.

Sounds like the beginning of new clashes in the street. Not between BLM and White Supremacists....... but between mask-wearers and "BYM'ers".

This shit's just gettin' good.

yeah my wife and I spent 12 days In North Carolina 2 summers ago,....... not the brightest bunch of folks, to put it mildly......

That's a bit unfair, bro. I was there last year (Asheville to be exact), and people couldn't be friendlier or more "with it."

I just mentioned it was from N. Carolina because that's what I saw on the news. Could've been anywhere, really.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Yeah it is a bit unfair I agree.

But where we were in Wilmington that was kind of our impression. I realize other parts of the state may be completely different

[TIC]

what about those that never had masks?

[Gandalf]

Yeah it is a bit unfair I agree.

But where we were in Wilmington that was kind of our impression. I realize other parts of the state may be completely different

People have been getting dumber for 150 years. 15% of Americans have an IQ of around 85. That is not a good thing.

[Gandalf]

Hey you'll both be happy to know there is a growing "Burn your masks" movement gathering steam in N. Carolina. Saw it on the news this morning.

Sounds like the beginning of new clashes in the street. Not between BLM and White Supremacists....... but between mask-wearers and "BYM'ers".

This shit's just gettin' good.

Did you watch the video or are you a CNN only kind of guy? The nurse agrees there is something, but that many patients do not have it and still end up on ventilators dying and being declared as Covid deaths.

What do you make of that? And she says they are mainly targeting poor minorities. I am against that. Not so bad for a 'racist' I guess.

I do not support Eugenics like this.

[TitoFan]

Hey you'll both be happy to know there is a growing "Burn your masks" movement gathering steam in N. Carolina. Saw it on the news this morning.

Sounds like the beginning of new clashes in the street. Not between BLM and White Supremacists....... but between mask-wearers and "BYM'ers".

This shit's just gettin' good.

Did you watch the video or are you a CNN only kind of guy? The nurse agrees there is something, but that many patients do not have it and still end up on ventilators dying and being declared as Covid deaths.

What do you make of that? And she says they are mainly targeting poor minorities. I am against that. Not so bad for a 'racist' I guess.

I do not support Eugenics like this.

I watched a woman speaking on TV. Is that ok with you? Or do I have to submit my observations through some kind of approval panel?

CNN... CBS... NBC... Fox... When I see a person being interviewed on television, I make the assumption it's not some paid actor reciting lines.

I'm also perfectly capable of making the distinction when the network chooses who to interview in order to further their agenda.... and when they don't.



Yes... I think we are all aware that people are playing games with COVID and inflated numbers are part of those games.

However... the jump from there to declaring the whole thing a hoax is something I choose not to do.

None of this is really my point on the previous post, though.

My point there was to poke some fun at the rebellious element that wants to "Burn Your Mask" to fly in the face of the mask-wearers. The whole thing is so infantile it sort of amuses me. (Hence the popcorn).

[Gandalf]

Some perspective. There are not that many cases here or deaths. Why? I suspect because only those who have it are being diagnosed with it and because only those who actually died from it died. This is despite the average age being 77 and most with existing conditione. How can it be such a contrast? Then you listen to the nurse and it starts to add up.

Look at those US numbers. They don't make any sense. However, if you believe a nurse who has recorded evidence of what is happening in a medical facility, you start to put the dots together.

Always compare and contrast and try to work out why things are as they are. It means thinking outside the box sometimes. Few of those networks are respectable outlets. It is the same in the UK. The UK media trust ratings are in the gutter. So, forget them for a minute, think for yourself.

What do you think of someone having a panic attack being put on a ventilator and then dying because of it, Tito. Are you okay with his death reported as Covid 19?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

My state of Texas had 4,298 NEW Covid-19 cases TODAY ALONE.

Yesterday: 4,138 NEW cases

June 18: 3,881 NEW cases

June 17: 3,353 NEW cases

June 16: 2,996 NEW cases

June 15: 2,906 NEW cases

[Beanz]

[TitoFan]

Some perspective. There are not that many cases here or deaths. Why? I suspect because only those who have it are being diagnosed with it and because only those who actually died from it died. This is despite the average age being 77 and most with existing conditione. How can it be such a contrast? Then you listen to the nurse and it starts to add up.

Look at those US numbers. They don't make any sense. However, if you believe a nurse who has recorded evidence of what is happening in a medical facility, you start to put the dots together.

Always compare and contrast and try to work out why things are as they are. It means thinking outside the box sometimes. Few of those networks are respectable outlets. It is the same in the UK. The UK media trust ratings are in the gutter. So, forget them for a minute, think for yourself.

What do you think of someone having a panic attack being put on a ventilator and then dying because of it, Tito. Are you okay with his death reported as Covid 19?

I'm not ok with the "mis-characterization" of any death, Miles. I'm surprised (not really) that needed to be clarified.

Truth is... the medical field has done a less than stellar job (IMO) in finding the best (most effective) ways to treat COVID patients. To this day, there is still squabbling back and forth over the exact mechanisms through which COVID kills a person. Some point to the damage the virus does to the red blood cell capacity to transport oxygen. Others deny or refute that. If the former is the case, then mechanical respirators can actually do more harm than good, thus the high probability that some patients have been hurt rather than helped through the indiscriminate use of respirators.

The difference between you and me is that I do not use this information to jump to the conclusions that.....

a) COVID-19 is either fake, a hoax, just like the flu, or somehow not dangerous and should be summarily ignored.

b) People should just ignore all medical expert advice to use PPE and keep social distancing as much as possible.

c) I certainly do not applaud the (predictable) rebel element that invariably rises up to challenge anything that comes from figures of authority. That's TIC's game..... not mine.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Today June 21st in Texas we have broken another coronavirus record that is 6 days in a row of broken records.

4,456 new cases today.

68 new deaths today.

(38 DEATHS OF PEOPLE 70 YEARS OLD AND UP, 21 DEATHS 40 TO 69 YEARS OLD, 9 DEATHS PEOPLE 16 TO 39 YEARS OLD)

***THESE ARE DAILY NUMBERS***

[Beanz]

Some perspective. There are not that many cases here or deaths. Why? I suspect because only those who have it are being diagnosed with it and because only those who actually died from it died. This is despite the average age being 77 and most with existing conditione. How can it be such a contrast? Then you listen to the nurse and it starts to add up.

Look at those US numbers. They don't make any sense. However, if you believe a nurse who has recorded evidence of what is happening in a medical facility, you start to put the dots together.

Always compare and contrast and try to work out why things are as they are. It means thinking outside the box sometimes. Few of those networks are respectable outlets. It is the same in the UK. The UK media trust ratings are in the gutter. So, forget them for a minute, think for yourself.

What do you think of someone having a panic attack being put on a ventilator and then dying because of it, Tito. Are you okay with his death reported as Covid 19?

I'm not ok with the "mis-characterization" of any death, Miles. I'm surprised (not really) that needed to be clarified.

Truth is... the medical field has done a less than stellar job (IMO) in finding the best (most effective) ways to treat COVID patients. To this day, there is still squabbling back and forth over the exact mechanisms through which COVID kills a person. Some point to the damage the virus does to the red blood cell capacity to transport oxygen. Others deny or refute that. If the former is the case, then mechanical respirators can actually do more harm than good, thus the high probability that some patients have been hurt rather than helped through the indiscriminate use of respirators.

The difference between you and me is that I do not use this information to jump to the conclusions that.....

a) COVID-19 is either fake, a hoax, just like the flu, or somehow not dangerous and should be summarily ignored.

b) People should just ignore all medical expert advice to use PPE and keep social distancing as much as possible.

c) I certainly do not applaud the (predictable) rebel element that invariably rises up to challenge anything that comes from figures of authority. That's TIC's game..... not mine.

I know neither of you are likely to welcome my interjection, and only one of you is capable of giving anything i say any credence, but actually in this country , the UK, the very opposite of what is being claimed is happening. Covid deaths are vastly under reported. This is from the mouths of Paramedics and Coroners and those running care homes etc. Not only that but there was a very well documented campaign by Government to cover those cases up in order to make it look like they were far better at dealing with the crisis than they have been.

It seems to be mirroring the USA where i can see that Trump has blatantly admitted to asking his testers to wind it down, so that they find less cases. If after that people can still delude themselves into thinking that he, or Johnson the hand shaker in the UK gives a shit about anything but their own political survival, one can hardly take them very seriously anymore.