Thomas Jefferson

[SlimTrae]

What a way for this guy to bite the big one though really: his fear of slave revolts and his ever-closer association with the slave South as he grew older gave him chronic diarrhea.

To deny his miserable human failures and his woeful hypocrisy, no longer flies. It is the long-awaited time to compensate for inhuman and unspeakable acts of brutality and evil: nobody ever likes that time because not only do they have to compensate the victims but they must also admit the painful truth.

Toppling his statue will not grind his memory to dust, if that is the concern.

I find very few Presidents back then that didn't kicked the slave issue away like Pele' on the soccer field! TJ no exception. And I agree those who made so many owners/businesses to reap profit off their literal blood, sweat & tears should add resolve.
Won't happen.
From a political POV, he shaped the mindset that majority should rule, not a minority of electors who could only vote for one- if they owned property.
As far policies he made you can't get down with, hip me on!

[TIC]

so is the problem slavery or that jefferson was white?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Well you asked, so.....


1. Jefferson was the first president to commit US forces to a foreign war. Not. Good. At. All.

2. When fighting between France and England ratcheted up, Jefferson tried to weasel a 2-faced, conniving policy that allowed the United States to trade with both
belligerents. That was impossible, it was painfully obvious, given that both sides considered trade with the other a de facto act of war.

3. TJ The Slave-driver passed the Non-Importation Act, which prohibited the import of goods from the British Empire. It was totally ASININE, the act did no
good,
and both Great Britain and France continued to deny American neutral rights. Jeffy responded with the Embargo Act in 1807.
The ridiculous
act, believe it or not, prohibited American trade with all nations—period. The act stopped the bulk of American trade, hurting the nation's economy. In
fact, it TOTALLY FUCKING DESTROYED and wrecked the economy of New England, which relied 100% on trade to support its economy.

Slim there's 3 right there, I could go on

[NoSavingByTheBell]

And in his Grand Finale, TJ "The Hypocrite" Jefferson's inability to craft a creative foreign policy for the situation I just described above was THE PROOF OF HIS PALTRY AND INFERIOR SKILLS. It also pointed out American arrogance which believed the major European nations would cave in without American goods.

The Embargo Act failed, MISERABLE AND EMBARRASSINGLY, and Jefferson ended it just days before he left office in March 1809. It marked the lowest point of his foreign policy attempts. Combine that with my very first post in this thread and yeah......

PULL THAT FUCKER DOWN.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

So now back to the big big problem a racist Thomas Jefferson who had the nerve to write the words:

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL


.... But who could not walk the talk.


I will push at the local level and at the state level in at the federal level with my group of political activists THE ABSOLUTE 100% REMOVAL OF EVERY THOMAS JEFFERSON STATUE IN THIS COUNTRY, AS WELL AS THE ABSOLUTE 100% REMOVAL OF ANY STATUE IN THIS COUNTRY OF ANYONE WHOSOEVER, PROMOTED OR CARRIED OUT OR FACILITATED THE ENSLAVEMENT AND THE DESTRUCTION AND THE RAPE OF OTHER HUMAN BEINGS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN

[NoSavingByTheBell]

In the multiracial American future Jefferson will not be thought of as the Sage of Monticello. His flaws are beyond redemption. The sound you hear is the crashing of a reputation.

[El Kabong]

So now back to the big big problem a racist Thomas Jefferson who had the nerve to write the words:

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL


.... But who could not walk the talk.


I will push at the local level and at the state level in at the federal level with my group of political activists THE ABSOLUTE 100% REMOVAL OF EVERY THOMAS JEFFERSON STATUE IN THIS COUNTRY, AS WELL AS THE ABSOLUTE 100% REMOVAL OF ANY STATUE IN THIS COUNTRY OF ANYONE WHOSOEVER, PROMOTED OR CARRIED OUT OR FACILITATED THE ENSLAVEMENT AND THE DESTRUCTION AND THE RAPE OF OTHER HUMAN BEINGS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN

Good luck with that Steve your understanding of history is impressively delusional.

Tell me about trans rights in the 18th century why don't you

[NoSavingByTheBell]

****GREAT GRANDSON OF THOMAS JEFFERSON WANTS STATUES AND MONUMENTS TAKEN DOWN********

He wrote that any molds of Jefferson, the third president of the United States, in the public square should also be removed.

“There are many statues of him that should come down. He was, after all, a participant in the institution of slavery—perhaps the most notorious one among the Founding Fathers, not least because of the jarring contrast between what he practiced and what he preached,” the veteran television host, social media influencer and author wrote.

LaNier continued that these statues were only erected to remind people of color of their “degraded” place in society below that of powerful white men. He also felt it was a form of manipulation and another hurt inflicted after slavery formally ended in 1863.

[Dia bando]

I can see why people are upset imagine a Jewish person walking past a statue of Hitler the thing is we cannot forget history good or bad ! we cannot purge the past but we can make sure people do not repeat theses actions today or in the future.!

[NoSavingByTheBell]

I can see why people are upset imagine a Jewish person walking past a statue of Hitler the thing is we cannot forget history good or bad ! we cannot purge the past but we can make sure people do not repeat theses actions today or in the future.!

Exactly Rich! Why should a Jewish person have to walk past statues of Hitler? Pull that fucker down!

Why should Blacks have to walk past statues of Slave-owning racist hypocrite Thomas The Cunt? Pull that fucker down!

Common sense.

[goti71]

The ever-so "slight" difference between Hitler and all the Jeffersons of the past is that Nazism was a pseudo-scientific ideology deliberately exterminating everything it didn't agree with; it was a destructive movement.

Whereas all those white (oh my gosh!!) men from the enlightenment were merely displaying the flaws of their times (what else would you expect?), whilst building the democracies and scientific development we have today, i.e., they were entirely and deliberately constructive movements.

Why is it so hard to tell the difference between the two?

Like I said before, in 100 years' time someone will want to tear down a statue of Elon Musk because the cobalt in his phone was mined by children and he didn't even give a fuck (just like all of us in the 2020's).

[Gandalf]

so is the problem slavery or that jefferson was white?

Nobody has an issue with warlord, slave owning prophets, so it looks like a very focused and particular assault specific figures largely based on a racial basis. There is a lot of slavery today and it is mostly in the non white world in the here and now, but mostly silence on that. Let's go after the dead who cannot speak for themselves and ignore those that actually can.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Red Herring.

We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.

[Gandalf]

Red Herring.

We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.

It is a red herring to be faux bothered by a man hundreds of years dead who has had no impact on your life in any negative way. It is virtue signalling. There are millions of people in the West who worship a slave owner and nobody says a thing. Surely we accept that it is just one of those things that happened a long time ago and that is the end of it.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Red Herring.

We can only start with our own countries first. We cannot go to slave-owning countries and bomb them. Plus the super rich presidents of the White Western World hesitate to sanction Saudi and Somalia and some of those places. Short of bombing, there are sanctions. I cannot sanction, only governments can.

I do not condone any kind of slavery by any country or people.

It is a red herring to be faux bothered by a man hundreds of years dead who has had no impact on your life in any negative way. It is virtue signalling. There are millions of people in the West who worship a slave owner and nobody says a thing. Surely we accept that it is just one of those things that happened a long time ago and that is the end of it.

Not sure what you are specifically referring to, Im talking about plenty of people justifiably do not want to walk past a statue of a racist scumbag everyday twice a day on their way to work and back or out shopping with their families. Tear the scumbag down. How would a Jew like to walk past a Hitler statue twice a day?
How would an Armenian like to walk past a Talat Pasha statue with his family twice a day? Show some empathy man. This is easy to understand. Tear the cunt down, I say! Its an insulting eye sore. Common sense, you dont put statues of rapists and racists up in peoples' faces. We're talking statues here, not wiping people out of history books which, by the way, still are white-centric pro-colonialist rags.

Tear the fucker down. I support it.