Thomas Jefferson

[NoSavingByTheBell]

You are an idiot Lyle plain and simple. You avoid the question of "when did your people become enslaved by bangladeshis or blacks or American Indians?"... you avoided that question because you know you were completely schooled by me and you then want to move the goalposts and say that Bangladeshis and American Indians had slaves. I answered you and I put you back in your dunce corner and then you shifted the goalposts. It's what you do.

your memory is short for somebody who is in their 30s. You originally asked WHO DOES THAT LEAVE OUT? so I told you that you could not be considered one because your people white people have never been enslaved by bangladeshis or American Indians or blacks for example.

finally you have shown your sophomoric qualities by resorting to name-calling so I hear have returned the favor. But once again your juvenile personality comes out with your name calling.

You too are truly a piece of shit.

[El Kabong]

You are an idiot Lyle plain and simple. You avoid the question of "when did your people become enslaved by bangladeshis or blacks or American Indians?"... you avoided that question because you know you were completely schooled by me and you then want to move the goalposts and say that Bangladeshis and American Indians had slaves. I answered you and I put you back in your dunce corner and then you shifted the goalposts. It's what you do.

your memory is short for somebody who is in their 30s. You originally asked WHO DOES THAT LEAVE OUT? so I told you that you could not be considered one because your people white people have never been enslaved by bangladeshis or American Indians or blacks for example.

finally you have shown your sophomoric qualities by resorting to name-calling so I hear have returned the favor. But once again your juvenile personality comes out with your name calling.

You too are truly a piece of shit.

Hahaha dude at LEAST one of my ancestors came to the colonies in servitude.

The cultures you mention either had slaves prior to interaction with whites and/or still do. And you avoid that truth, why? Did Americans enslave Bangladeshis? American Indians had slaves in America as did Blacks. Your point you fat imbecile?

As for name calling, what is "Nilla" Steve?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

You are an idiot Lyle plain and simple. You avoid the question of "when did your people become enslaved by bangladeshis or blacks or American Indians?"... you avoided that question because you know you were completely schooled by me and you then want to move the goalposts and say that Bangladeshis and American Indians had slaves. I answered you and I put you back in your dunce corner and then you shifted the goalposts. It's what you do.

your memory is short for somebody who is in their 30s. You originally asked WHO DOES THAT LEAVE OUT? so I told you that you could not be considered one because your people white people have never been enslaved by bangladeshis or American Indians or blacks for example.

finally you have shown your sophomoric qualities by resorting to name-calling so I hear have returned the favor. But once again your juvenile personality comes out with your name calling.

You too are truly a piece of shit.

Hahaha dude at LEAST one of my ancestors came to the colonies in servitude.

The cultures you mention either had slaves prior to interaction with whites and/or still do. And you avoid that truth, why? Did Americans enslave Bangladeshis? American Indians had slaves in America as did Blacks. Your point you fat imbecile?

As for name calling, what is "Nilla" Steve?

Dude your post is full of logical fallacies.

1. I mentioned about 5 posts ago that if your ancestors were ever enslaved it was by other white people. Do you remember that?

2. when did I say that Bangladesh never had slaves of their own people for example? Or any of the other cultures I mentioned? That is deliberately changing the topic. This topic is about statues that are offensive to people IN THIS COUNTRY, WHO WERE VICTIMS OF THE PEOPLE DEPICTED IN THE STATUES. this topic is not about other countries and how they may or may not deal with statues that they are offended by. But you tried to blur the argument by shifting the goalposts.

3. Who mentioned anything about before or after their interaction with whites? Again that is a completely new idea introduced by you into this discussion which nobody brought up. again it's not about if Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia or Somalia or American Indians ever had their own slaves. if a Navajo Indian ever enslaved a Comanche Indian and the Comanche Indians want to pull down a statue of that Navajo Indian slave owner I am perfectly okay with that as well. You just make up arguments here to try to distract.

4. when did I say Americans enslaved bangladeshis? Another logical fallacy by you.
Again to refresh your memory which is not doing very well today, you ask me a question: WHO DOES THAT LEAVE?

I said it leaves you, and you know the context of this so don't be disingenuous, IT LEAVES YOU AS AN AMERICAN WHO WOULD NOT BE OFFENDED BY ANY STATUE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY STATUES HERE OF PEOPLE WHO ENSLAVED YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

I said in another thread that you would FOLD if you had to undergo the pressure that I have had to, in that thread where you said I did not have any Grace under pressure. I think it was on Let's Get It On.

The word FOLD I then used to say that you would fold so hard that you would be like a manila folder.

Go read the thread now if you don't believe me. I then abbreviated Manila to 'Nilla.

I guess you thought it was a reference to vanilla or something but it was not. It came from manila folder, because I said you would fold.

That's the truth.

[El Kabong]

Dude your post is full of logical fallacies.

1. I mentioned about 5 posts ago that if your ancestors were ever enslaved it was by other white people. Do you remember that?

2. when did I say that Bangladesh never had slaves of their own people for example? Or any of the other cultures I mentioned? That is deliberately changing the topic. This topic is about statues that are offensive to people IN THIS COUNTRY, WHO WERE VICTIMS OF THE PEOPLE DEPICTED IN THE STATUES. this topic is not about other countries and how they may or may not deal with statues that they are offended by. But you tried to blur the argument by shifting the goalposts.

3. Who mentioned anything about before or after their interaction with whites? Again that is a completely new idea introduced by you into this discussion which nobody brought up. again it's not about if Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia or Somalia or American Indians ever had their own slaves. if a Navajo Indian ever enslaved a Comanche Indian and the Comanche Indians want to pull down a statue of that Navajo Indian slave owner I am perfectly okay with that as well. You just make up arguments here to try to distract.

4. when did I say Americans enslaved bangladeshis? Another logical fallacy by you.
Again to refresh your memory which is not doing very well today, you ask me a question: WHO DOES THAT LEAVE?

I said it leaves you, and you know the context of this so don't be disingenuous, IT LEAVES YOU AS AN AMERICAN WHO WOULD NOT BE OFFENDED BY ANY STATUE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY STATUES HERE OF PEOPLE WHO ENSLAVED YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE.

1. The term "white" is a relatively new concept and is a catch all for people with lighter skin color. Used to be people were referred to by their nation of origin.

2. So just a deliberate false equivalence then?

3. False eqivalence intensifies

4. Just making sure you were on about a false equivalence

I said in another thread that you would FOLD if you had to undergo the pressure that I have had to, in that thread where you said I did not have any Grace under pressure. I think it was on Let's Get It On.

The word FOLD I then used to say that you would fold so hard that you would be like a manila folder.

Go read the thread now if you don't believe me. I then abbreviated Manila to 'Nilla.

I guess you thought it was a reference to vanilla or something but it was not. It came from manila folder, because I said you would fold.

That's the truth.

So name calling then?


For shame Steve LMAO

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Dude your post is full of logical fallacies.

1. I mentioned about 5 posts ago that if your ancestors were ever enslaved it was by other white people. Do you remember that?

2. when did I say that Bangladesh never had slaves of their own people for example? Or any of the other cultures I mentioned? That is deliberately changing the topic. This topic is about statues that are offensive to people IN THIS COUNTRY, WHO WERE VICTIMS OF THE PEOPLE DEPICTED IN THE STATUES. this topic is not about other countries and how they may or may not deal with statues that they are offended by. But you tried to blur the argument by shifting the goalposts.

3. Who mentioned anything about before or after their interaction with whites? Again that is a completely new idea introduced by you into this discussion which nobody brought up. again it's not about if Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia or Somalia or American Indians ever had their own slaves. if a Navajo Indian ever enslaved a Comanche Indian and the Comanche Indians want to pull down a statue of that Navajo Indian slave owner I am perfectly okay with that as well. You just make up arguments here to try to distract.

4. when did I say Americans enslaved bangladeshis? Another logical fallacy by you.
Again to refresh your memory which is not doing very well today, you ask me a question: WHO DOES THAT LEAVE?

I said it leaves you, and you know the context of this so don't be disingenuous, IT LEAVES YOU AS AN AMERICAN WHO WOULD NOT BE OFFENDED BY ANY STATUE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY STATUES HERE OF PEOPLE WHO ENSLAVED YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE.

1. The term "white" is a relatively new concept and is a catch all for people with lighter skin color. Used to be people were referred to by their nation of origin.

2. So just a deliberate false equivalence then?

3. False eqivalence intensifies

4. Just making sure you were on about a false equivalence

I said in another thread that you would FOLD if you had to undergo the pressure that I have had to, in that thread where you said I did not have any Grace under pressure. I think it was on Let's Get It On.

The word FOLD I then used to say that you would fold so hard that you would be like a manila folder.

Go read the thread now if you don't believe me. I then abbreviated Manila to 'Nilla.

I guess you thought it was a reference to vanilla or something but it was not. It came from manila folder, because I said you would fold.

That's the truth.

So name calling then?


For shame Steve LMAO

again for the last time because it's not really worth trying to reason with your hard head.

You asked me WHO DOES THAT LEAVE? I was talking about people IN THIS COUNTRY. Not about other countries.

So I answered your question WHO DOES THAT LEAVE? by saying that it leaves you and it leaves white people as the only people IN THIS COUNTRY who would not be offended by any statues here OF PEOPLE WHO OWNED WHITE SLAVES FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS......

... SINCE THERE ARE NO NON-WHITE PEOPLE WHO IN AMERICA OWNED WHITE SLAVES FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

And wow, manila folder is such a really bad name to call somebody for crying out loud.

You literally are a folder.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Now back to the topic.

Yyyyyyyeah, sooooooo.....this thread is about Thomas Jefferson and the United States of America just for a refresher course for those who have comprehension problems; this is not a thread about slavery in other parts of the world, as if that somehow affects the conversation here about black slave owning and racist Thomas Jefferson and slavery in the United States of America.

Good God it's tough when dealing with mentally challenged students.....

So Thomas Jefferson was a slave owning hypocrite and his statue therefore very deeply offends many black Americans. I support the removal of his statue. In the same way that Jews would not want to walk by a statue of Adolf Hitler.

Easy to understand for those who have been victims OF OFFICIAL GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEMIC RACISM FOR 400 YEARS IN THIS COUNTRY.

And once again for those remedial cases out there it must be very difficult to understand this since they have never been a victim of systematic governmental orchestrated racism.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

So yeah.... I AM NOT SAYING TO change any of the textbooks (as long as they don't cover up the truth about Thomas Jefferson.) Or to exclude Thomas Jefferson from history classes for example....

....but yeah,.... TEAR DOWN THAT CUNT'S STATUE.