Extremism is the WORST disease

[El Kabong]

"Sellout meanings -once they make it- they deride their own, and don't come back." ... OK then then please explain how exactly they "deride their own" and as for "not coming back" what is there to come back to and why? Who do the people that make it out owe? Rockefeller didn't drag everyone up to prosperity with him, Carnegie didn't, Buffet hasn't Gates hasn't. Not everyone makes it and those people who do aren't responsible for those who don't. They give back in a charitable manner to the best of their abilities.

People rejecting Conservatism and Liberalism are marginalized regardless of color.

What qualifications does Ben Carson have to run HUD? He lived the life, he knows exactly what that is like. Is that not good enough? I guess don't give him the job then

What you're arguing about Clarence Thomas has nothing to do with his color but how he interprets the Constitution....so I guess call him a sell out? I mean I guess I missed the day in Civics class where just because someone has a certain skin color they have to interpret the Constitution a certain way. I must have missed that one.

Alan Keyes is a fringe political player at this point. I can't tell you why, maybe he's not as interesting or as entertaining as other people. This kind of thing happens to people of other colors as well, but hey chalk it up to whatever makes your case Larry Elder has a show, does that count? Or no? Charles Payne has a show, does he count?

Diamond & Silk do well on YouTube and other social media sites because that's where they've established themselves. Terrence K. Williams has done the same. I mean I guess I don't understand what exactly you expect for these folks...I mean there's regular average white folks who attempt to do those things and fail miserably. There's people who make it huge on the internet and never help out their communities. How much do they owe their communities? Wouldn't that depend on how supported they felt from their community? I mean why attempt to feed a dog that will bite your hand?

Politics is a full contact thing and Trump went over the line with a few people not just Cain & Carson. Ted Cruz got called the Zodiac Killer by Trump and Trump also said Cruz's father shot JFK....but no one came to his aid!!! Trump attacked Jeb and people attempted to help Jeb because he's an establishment guy, but a lot of good that did him. So yeah that kind of thing happens and will continue to happen in politics, it's nothing new and actually it's fairly tame these days.

What African-Americans do I respect that don't vote Republican? Probably the folks I lift weights with and interact with on a daily basis more so than athletes or rappers or actors or whomever. I mean surely there are famous African-Americans I respect, but I personally am not as impacted by them as I am by my fellow citizens. I don't have to agree with them politically at all, respect is not a political issue for me.

"claiming blacks have to be lock step with Dems is a conservative narrative" .."If you have a problem figuring out if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black" - Joe Biden Democrat Presidential Nominee.

So that's a conservative narrative ya say?

[SlimTrae]

"Sellout meanings -once they make it- they deride their own, and don't come back." ... OK then then please explain how exactly they "deride their own" and as for "not coming back" what is there to come back to and why?

Prince the entertainer is an example- I dont know why I am bothering with this- He could have moved away- but keeping Paisley Park in Minny, allowed others to follow suit. It allowed him to bring talent from Minny to the world. Janet Jackson would have never had her hits of the albums Control & Rythm Nation had it not been for Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. They produced ALL her hits, how so? Because Prince pulled his schoolmates into the spot light. Morris Day is another
See why go to Hollywood to get musicians, when he could introduce the world to new gurus and at the same time- take some folks out the ghetto. But I dont expect you to understand. What I really like to say is insults, but it aint my style.

Who do the people that make it out owe? Rockefeller didn't drag everyone up to prosperity with him, Carnegie didn't, Buffet hasn't Gates hasn't. . They give back in a charitable manner to the best of their abilities.

Did these guys come from the lowest parts of their country?: I can't make any sense out of you asking me why should those who struggled to make it OUT of a bad environment- not try to ease that burden. Sorrowful IMO if a person can't comprehend that is how every person I've ever met or admired did when they made it out a bad situation be drugs...they come back to help those kick the habit. Be it ghetto- Lebron James didn't protest, didnt beg. He owed no one- yet he felt compelled to do for kids -what he didnt' get. he was blessed w/talent- Said he could have been shot like so many- so he put 8 million on his future generation. To open a school is a blessing. & Many charities have proven to be rip-offs & my people don't need charity- we're told we beg as it is-

Oprah lived in Milwaukee & privately built several apartment complexes in what was called Hillside projects. Now there are decent apartments, learning center, a clinic- How can you even raise a question to a black person on why we feel the need to come back and help. This is futile. Seriously.
Dr. Chancellor Williams spent 18 years walking from one part of Africa to gather info on tribes and languages that knew of Kmt as their home. aka Ancient Egypt- He could have taken his degree and moved to Beverly Hills but he went to Africa, -went blind in the process- just so we could know of Egypt from other than European institutions. Senator Obama did time as a grassroots organizer despite having a degree. How do U find fault in giving back to one's community? Serious? Let Ben & Clarence be the same way- but vote Democrat, would you back them then? If, so name a Dem or anyone NOT a con-serving narratives.

People rejecting Conservatism and Liberalism are marginalized regardless of color. -- exactly and you think that is ok. something is wrong with a person who is okay with a two tier branded system proclaiming either U side with me or I brand you as the worst.


What African-Americans do I respect that don't vote Republican? Probably the folks I lift weights with and interact with on a daily basis more so than athletes or rappers or actors or whomever.

(in other words, none.) Dont rewrite the question. Your video cited rappers, that is why I quoted him Wondering how much of his video did you truly like or was it just a generalize thing? The guy in the video you posted IMO got your respect because he denounced those you denounce, so I went in-depth on what he said- rappers & athletes...Not my heroes either, just be careful posting clips like that- I pay attention to every word. I asked you -what black leaders, not rappers or athletes. just like every trump supporter- there are none.
I mean surely there are famous African-Americans I respect, but I personally am not as impacted by them as I am by my fellow citizens.

( Again: I did not ask if you were impacted I asked who do you respect that doesn't acquiesce to what you believe in... ) I don't have to agree with them politically at all, respect is not a political issue for me.

"claiming blacks have to be lock step with Dems is a conservative narrative" .."If you have a problem figuring out if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black" - Joe Biden Democrat Presidential Nominee.

So that's a conservative narrative ya say?

Unless you address a post to me, it will be quite difficult to respond. IMO explaining to you is futile. I Just did a casual peruse on the times you have stated words like this: Ok, explain to me. or OK, well why is it then..
listed below & notice the majority of topics are always political, partisan, not boxing, you're fair there. Not music, just topics on ideology.

I didnt do a full search on how many times you answer a question with another question. The point for showing you this is to give you an opportunity to prove once in your Saddo Boxing life, have you ever had something explained to you and accepted it? See if you can't find one by the year 2020, why waste my time being the 30,449th time you wrote to someone "well answer me this? only to read the same ending, again.

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[SlimTrae]

@El Kabong
If you have a problem figuring out if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black" - Joe Biden Democrat Presidential Nominee.

So that's a conservative narrative ya say?


Is Joe Biden Black? No. Was he born in a ghetto? No. So why bring up every person other than the one you showed in the video? All these responses to me and next to nothing on what I addressed; Two videos of him. Now you pull out Biden?
Blacks overwhelmingly liked Andrew Yang per Charmalagne da God and Sway in Morning Show. Not Biden. Watch the video of him saying it as opposed to quoting and tell me it was well received, it wasn't.

But just like Republicans who stole the election from Ron Paul in 2012, Sanders per Dems in 2016, they gave no play to Yang in 2020- & please dont take my example of Yang & turn it into a topic-

My point is whoever will vote for Biden is voting against a man who referred to NFL protestors as haters of the flag and the country, sons of bitches, damn that is sick.
Many know He Is ok with confederate flags in the republican party- only a symbol of racism when Dems had it.

Like black people should stand for a man who now speaks ok of a flag that stood against the stars & stripes. Bailing out corporations, farmers, after he derailed Obama like a dog for it. Lied like a dog & claimed he wasnt born in America- then years later he says ok we was.

We also knew when the economy got well, Department of Labor & Statistics bares it.

Like blacks will take Ben Carson serious when he said Obamacare was the worst thing to blacks since slavery, that negro needs to be slapped. Dont hear whites complaining on their obamacare- cause healthcare aint even an issue in this election.
Like we shouldn't talk about Carson the way Trump does- - he lied about stabbing a class mate. You've never addressed that belt buckle story have you? Its a stupid ass story that's why.

We heard Black Ben said Obama might be a Muslim and a Muslim shouldn't be prez, just pandering to a demographic that isnt his own. Trump clowned him. Then hired him- cause he was born like me - in the hood so, why not let me run it then, if that is how low the bar is set for running HUD- hell I thought it was unconstitutional & a waste of taxpayers $$ under Obama, now we need it & must have a once poor black because poor whites cant run it then huh? Sounds like affirmative action.


Aint a damn reason to vote for that orange diaper stained-world-record setting twittering-twat who watches tv on a daily basis as opposed to running a country- who allowed the CDC to dictate to him to shut down the economy. 30 million unemployed-
blacks who did not sneeze or cough turned away-dying as a result, of an exclusive use to beds without so few symptoms...now they are widening the symptoms nationwide...so sad that now whites who show more than those- well we have to allow, yet how many died because they didnt' show those 2 or 3 symptoms? What a feckless jackal of a leader. A mark. Unless Republican politicians are right that blacks are just not hygienical,
Outside Israel & Arabia the world loathes this POTUS.


Most important U could have identified how Charmalagne or whatever his name is, didn't take kindly and told Biden: we got a long way until the election- letting him know, - we don't have to vote for U.

Will you give him that credit? Or is credit only reserved for blacks who vote republican, claim conservative and praise Drumpf?

[El Kabong]

@El Kabong
If you have a problem figuring out if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black" - Joe Biden Democrat Presidential Nominee.

So that's a conservative narrative ya say?


Is Joe Biden Black? No. Was he born in a ghetto? No. So why bring up every person other than the one you showed in the video? All these responses to me and next to nothing on what I addressed; Two videos of him. Now you pull out Biden?
Blacks overwhelmingly liked Andrew Yang per Charmalagne da God and Sway in Morning Show. Not Biden. Watch the video of him saying it as opposed to quoting and tell me it was well received, it wasn't.

But just like Republicans who stole the election from Ron Paul in 2012, Sanders per Dems in 2016, they gave no play to Yang in 2020- & please dont take my example of Yang & turn it into a topic-

My point is whoever will vote for Biden is voting against a man who referred to NFL protestors as haters of the flag and the country, sons of bitches, damn that is sick.
Many know He Is ok with confederate flags in the republican party- only a symbol of racism when Dems had it.

Like black people should stand for a man who now speaks ok of a flag that stood against the stars & stripes. Bailing out corporations, farmers, after he derailed Obama like a dog for it. Lied like a dog & claimed he wasnt born in America- then years later he says ok we was.

We also knew when the economy got well, Department of Labor & Statistics bares it.

Like blacks will take Ben Carson serious when he said Obamacare was the worst thing to blacks since slavery, that negro needs to be slapped. Dont hear whites complaining on their obamacare- cause healthcare aint even an issue in this election.
Like we shouldn't talk about Carson the way Trump does- - he lied about stabbing a class mate. You've never addressed that belt buckle story have you? Its a stupid ass story that's why.

We heard Black Ben said Obama might be a Muslim and a Muslim shouldn't be prez, just pandering to a demographic that isnt his own. Trump clowned him. Then hired him- cause he was born like me - in the hood so, why not let me run it then, if that is how low the bar is set for running HUD- hell I thought it was unconstitutional & a waste of taxpayers $$ under Obama, now we need it & must have a once poor black because poor whites cant run it then huh? Sounds like affirmative action.


Aint a damn reason to vote for that orange diaper stained-world-record setting twittering-twat who watches tv on a daily basis as opposed to running a country- who allowed the CDC to dictate to him to shut down the economy. 30 million unemployed-
blacks who did not sneeze or cough turned away-dying as a result, of an exclusive use to beds without so few symptoms...now they are widening the symptoms nationwide...so sad that now whites who show more than those- well we have to allow, yet how many died because they didnt' show those 2 or 3 symptoms? What a feckless jackal of a leader. A mark. Unless Republican politicians are right that blacks are just not hygienical,
Outside Israel & Arabia the world loathes this POTUS.


Most important U could have identified how Charmalagne or whatever his name is, didn't take kindly and told Biden: we got a long way until the election- letting him know, - we don't have to vote for U.

Will you give him that credit? Or is credit only reserved for blacks who vote republican, claim conservative and praise Drumpf?

I bring up Biden because he showed what and how Establishment Democrats think. Not that anyone who pays attention truly needs a refresher on. All one needs do is see how Black conservatives are treated by their peers on the left, it's disgusting.

Charlamagne didn't know how to respond because I think he was aghast at the blatant disrespect shown to his face. But that gets a pass, it gets a pass and nobody can argue otherwise because anyone from another party or someone who wasn't as establishment as Biden is who said that in this day and age would have been CANCELLED. That is the God's honest truth.

OK, so people aren't voting FOR Biden, but AGAINST Trump, that's fine. People vote "against" all the time.

The NFL protesters ARE against the flag and Anthem, read Colin Kaepernick's 4th of July Tweet and tell me I'm wrong. Oh the NFL is now going to play the "Black National Anthem" oh so the NFL is "Making Segregation Great Again" eh? And if 100% of people don't stand for THAT Anthem what then?

The Battle Flag of Northern Virginia has indeed been used for bad things, people have co-opted it for some real shitty stuff and there's no excuse for it. But The Civil War wasn't ONLY about slavery, it was also about the States Rights to self determination. Surely the emotion is 100% on the side of slavery being the major issue, but the casus belli of the Civil War was SECESSION and whether the states had the right to do so. Given that the Treaty of Paris 1783 acknowledges the United States "existence as free, sovereign, and independent states" that along with the Bill of Rights 10th Amendment and the attempted peaceful secession of New England states around the War of 1812 lead the Confederate leaders to believe their states' had the right to self determination. Wouldn't really make a whole bunch of sense if 600,000 people were killed just because of slavery....especially if we're to believe that we're such a horrible racist nation. The Battle Flag of Northern Virginia is viewed through a prism. Some people see a relic of a bygone era, some people see it as a symbol of hate and evil, some people see it with no malice hard as that may be to believe. The Civil War is old and it has taken the nation a long time to heal, why this wound is still picked at is beyond me. As for bringing up Democrats use of the flag, that points to the hypocrisy of the very same people who are giving the A-OK to tear down historic statues and they always get away with their hypocrisy, ALWAYS and people are tired of it.

Further point being, what has President Trump DONE, have his actions not spoken loudly to the African-American community?

Because Trump got rid of the mandate in regards to Obamacare. Obamacare was a road to a system like Canada's or the UK's and while their system works for those countries (sometimes) they don't have our population.

Obama at the very least WAS a Muslim, he attended a Madrassa. He didn't think ISIS were all that big fo a threat, the "jv team" he called them. He never denounced Militant Islamic extremism, never called it out at all.

" You've never addressed that belt buckle story have you? Its a stupid ass story that's why." - In response to that I said "politics is full contact" and the cited what Trump said about Ted Cruz and Cruz's father. But hey if you don't want to accept it don't accept it.

I don't give a good God damn what "the world" thinks of Trump, I don't vote thinking "Gee will these other nations like us?" Why would I vote that way? I don't live in those countries I live in America. Do THOSE citizens think about who Americans like or don't like when they vote? I fucking doubt it.

Charlamagne handled Biden as best he could, I don't know what would have happened had Biden been there in person. It was a very awkward situation.

Ooooh "Drumpf" lol maaaaan you NAILED him!!!!! fucking cringe.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Lyle every one here hates you and sees you're a cunt.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

And there are consequences.

[El Kabong]

[TitoFan]

I like how "moderates" are included in BOTH lists of enemies.

That explains the frustration I sometimes feel.

[Beanz]

You do realise how Cleese has completely explained you and your modus operandi since day one here and in the real world? This is how you have managed to strut around abusing forum members for fucking years now in some bizarre self justified belief that you are of course always morally right and fuck the rest of the forum if they don't agree with you. You have for years tried to convince us that you would be courteous and good natured and rational if it were not for all your enemies - noisy minorities groups, unions, Demonstrators, Welfare spongers, communists, upstart actors etc.

[El Kabong]

Prince the entertainer is an example- I dont know why I am bothering with this- He could have moved away- but keeping Paisley Park in Minny, allowed others to follow suit. It allowed him to bring talent from Minny to the world. Janet Jackson would have never had her hits of the albums Control & Rythm Nation had it not been for Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. They produced ALL her hits, how so? Because Prince pulled his schoolmates into the spot light. Morris Day is another
See why go to Hollywood to get musicians, when he could introduce the world to new gurus and at the same time- take some folks out the ghetto. But I dont expect you to understand. What I really like to say is insults, but it aint my style.

Fair enough. My guess would be the people like Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas probably didn't run into many peers in their same situations to boost up when they made it. Afterwards they have given back....not that it matters I guess.

Sure it's great if you can hitch your friends' carts to your wagon and take them with you. Sometimes that nepotism works wonderfully and sometimes it doesn't there's plenty of examples for that lesson. Sometimes you give someone a boost and it helps them make it out, sometimes you could hand a person everything and they'll find a way to fuck it up.

If you want to post the insults then post the fucking insults OR be passive aggressive, it's your world my man.

Did these guys come from the lowest parts of their country?: I can't make any sense out of you asking me why should those who struggled to make it OUT of a bad environment- not try to ease that burden. Sorrowful IMO if a person can't comprehend that is how every person I've ever met or admired did when they made it out a bad situation be drugs...they come back to help those kick the habit. Be it ghetto- Lebron James didn't protest, didnt beg. He owed no one- yet he felt compelled to do for kids -what he didnt' get. he was blessed w/talent- Said he could have been shot like so many- so he put 8 million on his future generation. To open a school is a blessing. & Many charities have proven to be rip-offs & my people don't need charity- we're told we beg as it is-

Oprah lived in Milwaukee & privately built several apartment complexes in what was called Hillside projects. Now there are decent apartments, learning center, a clinic- How can you even raise a question to a black person on why we feel the need to come back and help. This is futile. Seriously.
Dr. Chancellor Williams spent 18 years walking from one part of Africa to gather info on tribes and languages that knew of Kmt as their home. aka Ancient Egypt- He could have taken his degree and moved to Beverly Hills but he went to Africa, -went blind in the process- just so we could know of Egypt from other than European institutions. Senator Obama did time as a grassroots organizer despite having a degree. How do U find fault in giving back to one's community? Serious? Let Ben & Clarence be the same way- but vote Democrat, would you back them then? If, so name a Dem or anyone NOT a con-serving narratives.

Carnegie and Rockefeller yes, they didn't start off all that well and yet they both made it quite big.

I don't fault "giving back" at all and the people I've made mention of HAVE given back. That said, nobody is under any obligation to do so. Lebron has so far helped a bunch of his friends and it hasn't hurt him or them and props to him for that, but that's no different than what the extremely wealthy do which is frowned upon.

"my people don't need charity- we're told we beg as it is" that line of thought doesn't really leave many options open as far as help or giving back goes. People are being TOLD to beg? See I didn't know that, I've learned something new today.

People rejecting Conservatism and Liberalism are marginalized regardless of color. -- exactly and you think that is ok. something is wrong with a person who is okay with a two tier branded system proclaiming either U side with me or I brand you as the worst.

"And you think that is ok"....nope, but thanks for assuming.

(in other words, none.) Dont rewrite the question. Your video cited rappers, that is why I quoted him Wondering how much of his video did you truly like or was it just a generalize thing? The guy in the video you posted IMO got your respect because he denounced those you denounce, so I went in-depth on what he said- rappers & athletes...Not my heroes either, just be careful posting clips like that- I pay attention to every word. I asked you -what black leaders, not rappers or athletes. just like every trump supporter- there are none.
I mean surely there are famous African-Americans I respect, but I personally am not as impacted by them as I am by my fellow citizens.

( Again: I did not ask if you were impacted I asked who do you respect that doesn't acquiesce to what you believe in... ) I don't have to agree with them politically at all, respect is not a political issue for me.

"claiming blacks have to be lock step with Dems is a conservative narrative" .."If you have a problem figuring out if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black" - Joe Biden Democrat Presidential Nominee.

So that's a conservative narrative ya say?

Marcellus Wiley explained a side of the Colin Kaepernick saga that most people don't bother to pay attention to or are even aware of. A side which explains a great deal of what motivates Mr. Kaepernick and I'm afraid it's not 100% pure goodwill. Marcellus Wiley is not someone I agree with politically, however I respect his talents not only as an athlete but a man who is attempting to best help his community in the manner he sees fit and I found his take interesting and different, he is able to verbalize what others either aren't able to say or willing to say.

Black leaders I respect: Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Bill Strickland, Jim Brown, Allen West, David Goggins. I am ABSOLUTELY certain those won't meet whatever criteria I'm supposed to meet because that isn't the goal of the question.

Unless you address a post to me, it will be quite difficult to respond. IMO explaining to you is futile. I Just did a casual peruse on the times you have stated words like this: Ok, explain to me. or OK, well why is it then..
listed below & notice the majority of topics are always political, partisan, not boxing, you're fair there. Not music, just topics on ideology.

I didnt do a full search on how many times you answer a question with another question. The point for showing you this is to give you an opportunity to prove once in your Saddo Boxing life, have you ever had something explained to you and accepted it? See if you can't find one by the year 2020, why waste my time being the 30,449th time you wrote to someone "well answer me this? only to read the same ending, again.

Then why fucking bother @SlimTrae? I'm fair in boxing am I? I'm just as opinionated there as I am here but this draws IRE the way an opinion in boxing or music does not.

I'm so sorry I expect people I debate to be able to explain themselves, my bad. I ask questions for clarification and in order to educate myself on someone else's perspective. Responses may not sway me, I know my responses probably don't change your reasoning either and yet here I am responding. I accept your views for what they are YOUR VIEWS. And we've had ourselves a little debate and it's fine if your mind isn't changed and my mind isn't changed, that's ok...the discussion is the important part. It's no different than boxing or music, perhaps more personal to some people.