John Lewis, civil rights icon, has died at 80

[El Kabong]

The only people the white media refer to as "Civil Rights Icons" are the Black people who did not advocate fighting back

John Lewis was more of an icon to white society. Because he promoted the ideology of passivity and forgiveness for white supremacist terrorism. People like Stokely Carmichael and others marched with MLK as well. But the white media never refers to Stokely as a "Civil Rights Icon" Thats because Stokely wasn't with that "nonviolent protest" bs. He wasn’t with selling out for trinkets and govt jobs.



Dr. Khalid Mohammed would never mention in mainstream media as a civil rights icon. And they would never mention Malcolm X. as a civil rights legend. Because they did not compromise with Jim Crowe and white supremacists.





They also pick and choose which history to teach. American schools don't teach about slave revolts, African kingdoms, African contributions to society. It's just slavery -> MLK -> civil rights act -> Obama

All this "praising" him is code for young black folk to take on the same passive docile behavior.

One of my civics teachers was actually a Black Panther so you would be mistaken in your assumption.

John Lewis was part of the political process, he was more involved in creating change than mere protesters or rioters or organizers. "Violent protest" isn't glorified in our culture, and there's a reason for that. It isn't looked up to, it isn't hailed as something positive because it's not. It's easy to get someone to acquiesce at the barrel of a gun, it's harder to deal with those whom you dislike and distrust and disagree with and achieve a solution for all parties and THAT is held higher in our society for a reason because PEACE is fleeting and it's not the norm of human history.


"American schools don't teach about slave revolts"....like John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry? Or Nat Turner? Or Denmark Vesey? Or when the slaves ran from the Cherokee and attempted to reach Mexico? Like THOSE things? Why in America you might even learn about the New York Conspiracy of 1741 if you took the right classes. But you were saying?


African Kingdoms are relatively difficult to teach about what with their penchant for not making historical records of their dealings. I've read about the Ndebele Kingdom and the Matabele Wars...wasn't due to Ndebele warriors or elders keeping accounts of it though. It's a different culture with emphasis on different things and the majority of folks in America aren't of that culture. There's no way in hell that each and every student learns about 100% of all cultures so I don't know what to tell you....cry harder?

It's code is it? Passivity and docility are pushed upon young blacks eh? Must be why Chicago is so peaceful....oh wait, that's white supremacy

[X]

​What a shame, a great man. I particularly liked the one with the fox on the trampoline. 'Never knowingly undersold' are wise words indeed to resound through future generations

[Denilson3.0]

John Lewis was part of the political process, he was more involved in creating change than mere protesters or rioters or organizers.

His goal was white acceptance and non violence. Not black empowerment.

Now here's the thing

Name me a white John Lewis ?

Name me a white man who in his struggle for freedom, justice and equality, land and wealth power and was assaulted by non white people that they hold up as an icon because he didn't fight bk ?

Name one ?

White folks love a Harry S Truman for dropping nuke on the Japs for Pearl Harbour

We can go down the line Jimmy Hoffa, Julius Ceasar, Braveheart, King Leonidas, Augustus Ceaser

"Violent protest" isn't glorified in our culture, and there's a reason for that. It isn't looked up to, it isn't hailed as something positive because it's not.

White supremacist culture is and has been based on violence and has been that way for 400 year. White people reward their killers like General Schwarzkopf, General Westmoreland, General Patton, General MacArthur, General Eissenhower. Those killers get ribbons, stripes and bars
(Medal of Honour, Silver Star, Purple heart with cluster etc)

It's easy to get someone to acquiesce at the barrel of a gun

Well it's not always. USA had guns and were more technologically in terms of military that the Vietnamese. They didn't acquiesce. So America still lost and got their asses kicked by them.

it's harder to deal with those whom you dislike and distrust and disagree with and achieve a solution for all parties and THAT is held higher in our society for a reason because PEACE is fleeting and it's not the norm of human history.

Peace is not the norm of white supremacist history. I agree.

But if your saying that white people are by nature un-peaceful then how is John Clarke's non violent approach going to work ?

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"American schools don't teach about slave revolts"....like John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry? Or Nat Turner? Or Denmark Vesey? Or when the slaves ran from the Cherokee and attempted to reach Mexico?

Yes and I'm pretty sure you wasn't taught any of that at school

African Kingdoms are relatively difficult to teach about what with their penchant for not making historical records of their dealings.

They find it very easy to teach you and other that the image you have of Africa Africa is that it's a violent hellhole, savage and cruel, a place of war, genocide, famine, slums, disease, failed states, refugee camps, etc. Aids, malaria and Ebola. Idi Amin, Mugabe and now Kony. Rwanda and Darfur. Somali pirates. Corrupt government officials. Child soldiers. Black men raping virgins to spread Aids. The heroes of this piece? White saviours, like Bono and Miss Jolie.

They have no problem teaching you that.

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There's no way in hell that each and every student learns about 100% of all cultures so I don't know what to tell you....cry harder?

Why do some white people in discussions on race with a black person often want to talk about feelings ? What's feelings got to do with anything ?

[TitoFan]

John Lewis was part of the political process, he was more involved in creating change than mere protesters or rioters or organizers.

His goal was white acceptance and non violence. Not black empowerment.
Why do some white people in discussions on race with a black person often want to talk about feelings ? What's feelings got to do with anything ?

Let's establish once again that some of us here engage you only out of morbid patience, knowing you'll never alter your extremist views on race. (There you go again....... see my thread on extremism).

Let's also be clear. John Lewis did more to attempt to advance the cause of blacks in society in any given hour of any 24-hour day of his entire life, than you can ever hope to do in a million lifetimes. Lewis was a decent man, who fought and struggled against the remnants of slavery and the white superiority complex that has followed throughout the next couple of centuries.

His goal was non-violence, yes. But let me put a question to you.

What do you think would have had more of a chance to obtain the civil rights reforms that finally resulted in the 60's (knowing there is a LOT more to go).............

a) non-violence like Lewis preached?
b) violence like you seem to prefer?

You honestly think that a bunch of Malcolm X's on their own without the balance provided by the MLK's and John Lewises of the world would've achieved the equality you speak of?
Hardly.

The real world don't work that way. You may be able to bully some white dude on the street because in your mind he's a white supremacist and you're gonna take out your frustrations on him, but....... is that really gonna change anything?

I posted the following to you and did not get an answer.

Only YOU can turn praise for a truly good and admirable man (who BTW probably had 10,000 times the courage and gumption that you'll ever have)...... and twist it into some racist fantasy of yours, all the while tarnishing his legacy.

The fuck have YOU done with your 30-some years of life?

That's what I thought.

Why is that? Because you know when someone's on to your shtick and you decide to look elsewhere?

I'll ask again... what have YOU done with your life that qualifies you to criticize a great human being like John Lewis?

[Denilson3.0]

Let's establish once again that some of us here engage you only out of morbid patience, knowing you'll never alter your extremist views on race. (There you go again....... see my thread on extremism).

I don't have extremist views on race.

I disagree with you. For some reason you seem to fall apart and can't fathom that some one that does not see the world the way you do.

Of the 2000 hate groups less than 1% are based on Black hate towards whites and over 90% are based on whites hating blacks. Go figure.

That's extremism.

Let's also be clear. John Lewis did more to attempt to advance the cause of blacks in society in any given hour of any 24-hour day of his entire life, than you can ever hope to do in a million lifetimes.

What did John Lewis for black people after he was elected to congress ? He was a united states congressman for 30 years.

What did he do ?

Lewis was a decent man, who fought and struggled against the remnants of slavery and the white superiority complex that has followed throughout the next couple of centuries.

What are you talking about ?

Black people (generally) don't care how white people think. Black people care about what white people do. A white person can have white superiority complex all day. I don't give a care about that. I'm only concerned about what he is going to do.

Remnants of slavery ? What are you talking about ?

Look. Whenever black people rose up, John Lewis was to be the good negro who would get out there and say "Well you shouldn't be rioting now. You should nt be burned down stuff now" John Lewis did nothing for black people and he dined out on being attacked in Selma on the Edmund Pettus bridge for 50 years.

His goal was non-violence, yes. But let me put a question to you.

What do you think would have had more of a chance to obtain the civil rights reforms that finally resulted in the 60's (knowing there is a LOT more to go).............

a) non-violence like Lewis preached?
b) violence like you seem to prefer?

You honestly think that a bunch of Malcolm X's on their own without the balance provided by the MLK's and John Lewises of the world would've achieved the equality you speak of?
Hardly.

So you're saying that white people in the 60's woke up one day and said "Hey !! We're tired of this racism. We are gonna play the game straight with black people and give them a proper slice of the cake. That John Lewis just made me see sense"

If the police were killing unarmed white children and white people at the rates they do black ppl, then white people would be blowing up police stations tomorrow.

If the shoe was on the other foot ? Whites would have a murderous rage towards blk ppl.

White people freak out at even 1% of oppression. You have some nerve.

Your preaching non violence to black people who are getting killed and certainly more so in the 60's when John Lewis was a young man

But a few months back white people were angry at not being able to get a hair cut or play golf





In fact white people picked up guns for this. White people thought it was facism when they couldn't plant seeds in their garden.

Plus black ppl for 300 years have tried doing it the calm way. You can go to any bookstore or any library, there are films, songs, talks and speeches on racism.

But what do we get ? "Sort out your crime rate" "Sort out your illegitimacy rate out"

Colin Kapernick says "Stop killing unarmed blk ppl"

He gets blacklisted from NFL.

The reason why some civil rights were passed was because of violence.

What ? You think these violent George Floyd protests would have worked if black people were not violent and instead they sent a nice polite letter to the governor of Floyd state telling to stop systematic racism in the police.

The real world don't work that way. You may be able to bully some white dude on the street because in your mind he's a white supremacist and you're gonna take out your frustrations on him, but....... is that really gonna change anything?

A black person can come up to a white person and bash their skull with a rock because he doesn’t like white people but that is not racism, that is an individual acting as an individual and there is no system in place that will support his right to harm white, In fact, he will go to JAIL.

Plus blk ppl know they will be severely punished for harming a white person.

But white policeman can murder black people and get away with it because there is a system in place that allows them to do it. (the courts, the police, the judge etc)

Because the Dred Scott Supreme Court ruling, which was never overturned is still the law of the land. So the U.S. Supreme Court is partly to blame for the persistent murders of African Americans by police.

The police are the enforcement arm of white supremacy and law enforcement has been infested by white supremacists and nothing has been done to root them out.

That's why all the madness and rioting on the streets is happening.

There are white supremacist beat cops, sergeants, captains, police chiefs and prosecutors who are using sheriff departments as havens and nests were white supremacist can be hired to kill black ppl and the white supremacist district attorney will back them up on it.

I'll ask again... what have YOU done with your life that qualifies you to criticize a great human being like John Lewis?

Adolf Hitler has done more in his life than I have done in a million lifetimes. What's your point ?

Does that mean Hitler is above questioning ?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

I have to admit, Denilson raises a lot of good points. I will look into Lewis and see now in my research if he can be found to be a useless congressman.

Also, its good to question things.

I think though what the others in this thread are saying, is that this was a tribute thread and somehow it got turned into white vs black again.....

[El Kabong]

I have to admit, Denilson raises a lot of good points. I will look into Lewis and see now in my research if he can be found to be a useless congressman.

Also, its good to question things.

I think though what the others in this thread are saying, is that this was a tribute thread and somehow it got turned into white vs black again.....

Oh I am looking SO forward to your research

[NoSavingByTheBell]

I have to admit, Denilson raises a lot of good points. I will look into Lewis and see now in my research if he can be found to be a useless congressman.

Also, its good to question things.

I think though what the others in this thread are saying, is that this was a tribute thread and somehow it got turned into white vs black again.....

so here is my research:

***1961 participated in sit-ins, mass meetings and the landmark “Freedom Rides” of 1961 that tested racial segregation in the South.

***1963 helped register Black people to vote, helped Martin Luther King Jr. organize the March on Washington, arrested for the first of more than 40 times, for civil rights activities in Selma.

***March 7, 1965: Lewis is beaten by an Alabama state trooper while attempting to lead an estimated 600 voting rights marchers out of Selma on the way to Montgomery in an violent confrontation now known as Bloody Sunday. He spends two days in a hospital.

***March 21-25, 1965: Lewis joins thousands of others during the Selma-to-Montgomery voting rights march.

***1971: Lewis takes over as executive director of the Voter Education Project, a program of the Southern Regional Council.

****UP TO HERE I FEEL HE WAS A REAL TIGER, FIGHTING HARD, LEADING THE CHARGE, EMPOWERING BLACKS*****

***2001: Lewis receives the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award for Lifetime Achievement, one of a multitude of honors, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation’s highest civilian honor, presented by President Barack Obama in 2011.


I will say however, that once he was elected in 1981 to Atlanta City Council, he became a lot less active and became more like a career beaurocrat and politician, re-elected 16 times and becoming somewhat complacent, facing almost zero competition or opposition, quite like Cummings there in Baltimore, so I can see that Blacks may feel disappointed in his efforts from lets say 1981 onwards.

[El Kabong]

Oh a tiger, that should pique Denilson's interest

[TitoFan]

...knowing you'll never alter your extremist views on race.

I don't have extremist views on race.

Hmm..... saying over and over that EVERY WHITE PERSON ON EARTH IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST is extremist. Sooo... there's that.

you can't fathom that some one that does not see the world the way you do.

What.... that there might be some white people out there who are NOT white supremacists and who abhor racism as much as you do? Yeah... you goddamn right. We DON'T see the world the same way.

Of the 2000 hate groups less than 1% are based on Black hate towards whites and over 90% are based on whites hating blacks. Go figure.

Yeah? And your point? Nobody here is arguing that there are more black groups hating whites than the other way around. "Deflection", I think that's called. Stick to the point.

Let's also be clear. John Lewis did more to attempt to advance the cause of blacks in society in any given hour of any 24-hour day of his entire life, than you can ever hope to do in a million lifetimes.

What did John Lewis for black people after he was elected to congress ? He was a united states congressman for 30 years.

What did he do ?

Oh... do you mean HOW MANY BUILDINGS DID HE BURN DOWN OR HOW MANY WHITE PEOPLE HE SHOT? Well...... I guess according to YOUR definition, he didn't do shit.
If you were a level-headed adult and were to ask the same question, I'd say he was a major influence in the civil rights movement and a presence in Congress that served to remind people of the importance of racial relations.

Lewis was a decent man, who fought and struggled against the remnants of slavery and the white superiority complex that has followed throughout the next couple of centuries.

What are you talking about ?

If I have to translate that, I can't help you.

Black people (generally) don't care how white people think. Black people care about what white people do.

Au contraire. Blacks care very much about what white people think.... because what white people THINK eventually govern what they DO and HOW and WHY they do it. A bit nuanced, I know..... but try and keep up.
Example: A white person who is FORCED to accept employment quotas in his company can still THINK as a racist asshole and deny blacks at every opportunity. A white person who GENUINELY thinks every man on Earth deserves the same rights and opportunities does NOT NEED superficial quotas to do the right thing. In fact, he can NOT COMPLY with the quotas a any given time because maybe that month there weren't enough QUALIFIED black candidates..... but 6 months down the road he could have DOUBLE THE QUOTA not because he's forced to hire blacks..... but because he found a bunch of qualified black candidates.

Are you going to ask me what I'm talking about again?

Remnants of slavery ? What are you talking about ?

Again with the damn question. If I have to double-explain things to you every time I write, I'm wasting my time even more than I already am.
Slavery was abolished... we all know that. Yet the mindset in many whites, passed on from generation from generation, is that blacks remain somewhat inferior. That is in itself what drives much of the racism today.
Now stop me if I'm going too fast.

Look. Whenever black people rose up, John Lewis was to be the good negro who would get out there and say "Well you shouldn't be rioting now. You should nt be burned down stuff now" John Lewis did nothing for black people and he dined out on being attacked in Selma on the Edmund Pettus bridge for 50 years.

Well that's your opinion and again..... seems you would've rather Lewis burned down a few buildings or shot up a few white people. But then again he wouldn't have been a "Congressman for 30 years."

His goal was non-violence, yes. But let me put a question to you.

What do you think would have had more of a chance to obtain the civil rights reforms that finally resulted in the 60's (knowing there is a LOT more to go).............

a) non-violence like Lewis preached?
b) violence like you seem to prefer?

You honestly think that a bunch of Malcolm X's on their own without the balance provided by the MLK's and John Lewises of the world would've achieved the equality you speak of?
Hardly.

So you're saying that white people in the 60's woke up one day and said "Hey !! We're tired of this racism. We are gonna play the game straight with black people and give them a proper slice of the cake. That John Lewis just made me see sense"

Somewhere in a past post I talked about the BALANCE needed between the John Lewises/MLKs of the nation..... and the Malcolm X types. But I guess you skipped that part while reading with your blinders on.

I'll ask again... what have YOU done with your life that qualifies you to criticize a great human being like John Lewis?

Adolf Hitler has done more in his life than I have done in a million lifetimes. What's your point ?

Does that mean Hitler is above questioning ?


THIS is an incredibly MORONIC analogy and to give you the benefit of the doubt I'm sure you regretted writing it later.

I could've shot down your entire post, but at some point you become repetitive and it ain't worth the effort.

In summary.......

1. You've got the unmitigated gall of questioning your extremism, while all the while claiming EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON ON EARTH IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST. That alone speaks volumes.

2. Black people DO care what white people think... which eventually translates into what white people DO. (Also, I should add that if you're going to speak for ALL BLACK PEOPLE then I'll need to see some sort of qualification.)

3. You dismiss Lewis because he wasn't a militant black man. That's your right. Doesn't mean he DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. But again... that's YOUR OPINION and you're free to dismiss him because he didn't spend his life burning buildings and killing white people.

4. Whatever good points you may be trying to make (like NoSaving sympathetically said) are immediately lost when you write an ASININE ANALOGY MENTIONING HITLER.


In fact..... it is ME who should ask you at this juncture......................... What the FUCK are you talking about??

[El Kabong]

John Lewis was part of the political process, he was more involved in creating change than mere protesters or rioters or organizers.

His goal was white acceptance and non violence. Not black empowerment.

Now here's the thing

Name me a white John Lewis ?

Name me a white man who in his struggle for freedom, justice and equality, land and wealth power and was assaulted by non white people that they hold up as an icon because he didn't fight bk ?

Name one ?

White folks love a Harry S Truman for dropping nuke on the Japs for Pearl Harbour

We can go down the line Jimmy Hoffa, Julius Ceasar, Braveheart, King Leonidas, Augustus Ceaser

"Violent protest" isn't glorified in our culture, and there's a reason for that. It isn't looked up to, it isn't hailed as something positive because it's not.

White supremacist culture is and has been based on violence and has been that way for 400 year. White people reward their killers like General Schwarzkopf, General Westmoreland, General Patton, General MacArthur, General Eissenhower. Those killers get ribbons, stripes and bars
(Medal of Honour, Silver Star, Purple heart with cluster etc)

It's easy to get someone to acquiesce at the barrel of a gun

Well it's not always. USA had guns and were more technologically in terms of military that the Vietnamese. They didn't acquiesce. So America still lost and got their asses kicked by them.

it's harder to deal with those whom you dislike and distrust and disagree with and achieve a solution for all parties and THAT is held higher in our society for a reason because PEACE is fleeting and it's not the norm of human history.

Peace is not the norm of white supremacist history. I agree.

But if your saying that white people are by nature un-peaceful then how is John Clarke's non violent approach going to work ?

i
"American schools don't teach about slave revolts"....like John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry? Or Nat Turner? Or Denmark Vesey? Or when the slaves ran from the Cherokee and attempted to reach Mexico?

Yes and I'm pretty sure you wasn't taught any of that at school

African Kingdoms are relatively difficult to teach about what with their penchant for not making historical records of their dealings.

They find it very easy to teach you and other that the image you have of Africa Africa is that it's a violent hellhole, savage and cruel, a place of war, genocide, famine, slums, disease, failed states, refugee camps, etc. Aids, malaria and Ebola. Idi Amin, Mugabe and now Kony. Rwanda and Darfur. Somali pirates. Corrupt government officials. Child soldiers. Black men raping virgins to spread Aids. The heroes of this piece? White saviours, like Bono and Miss Jolie.

They have no problem teaching you that.

i
There's no way in hell that each and every student learns about 100% of all cultures so I don't know what to tell you....cry harder?

Why do some white people in discussions on race with a black person often want to talk about feelings ? What's feelings got to do with anything ?

Denilson disagreeing with me?!?!?!

Why I never in a million years would have expected this!!!!