Today in Trump

[El Kabong]

Hillary Clinton Gave State Dept. Job to Ghislaine Maxwell’s Nephew: Report
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillar...er&via=desktop
Since Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest on charges of helping Jeffrey Epstein abuse underage girls, rumors have swirled about her ties to famous figures including Democratic power couple Bill and Hillary Clinton.

On Tuesday, the Daily Mail published photos of former President Clinton receiving a neck massage from Chauntae Davies, one of Jeffrey Epstein’s victims, during a stopover on his infamous 2002 trip to Africa with the deceased sex-trafficker.

According to Davies, Maxwell was present for the voyage and encouraged Davies to give Clinton the massage. “Would you mind giving it a crack?” Clinton allegedly asked Davies, who claimed he was a “complete gentleman” during the trip.

The unseemly images were revealed just before Clinton addressed the virtual Democratic National Convention. Davies was 22 at the time, and Clinton has denied any misconduct or knowing of Epstein’s abuse of young women.

Now the celebrity tabloid OK! Magazine is reporting that ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “gifted” Maxwell’s nephew, Alexander Djerassi, a position within her department when he was just out of college and gave him “special treatment.”

A State Department spokesperson told The Daily Beast that Djerassi served as a “Staff Assistant” from May 2009 to June 2012. The Daily Beast could not confirm whether the role was in fact “gifted” by Clinton.

The reports come as Maxwell, 58, awaits trial in a Brooklyn federal lockup for allegedly grooming and trafficking girls for Epstein.

The report also appears to reference Djerassi’s LinkedIn profile, which lists his role as chief of staff for the “Office of the Assistant Secretary of State, Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs” from May 2011 to June 2012. Djerassi served as special assistant to the office from May 2009 to May 2011, his online profile says

[Beanz]

I would not waste my time reviewing your character.This is about your posting style, politics, ethical relativism and refusal to ever debate. You cannot surely being denying how petty and slippery you are when you refuse to address issues and evidence and instead weight your own opinion as though it were the same thing? Look at your asking for citations, bullet pointing and even numbering stuff. Titofan in my opinion has it wrong when he praises you for your supposedly calm and measured style. The very opposite is there in black and white. You will never address the issue when you are so clearly emotionally invested in an ideaology that praises ignorance and the mocking of your fellow man. You have always been like this but this thread is a textbook case of your passive aggressive bollocks and projections. It is no surprise for me that you would have always been a big Trump fan when he mirrors so many of your own attributes. You have always been incredibly sure of yourself and in an most circumstances that is a great thing. When the wheels come off though that very strength can be your undoing and like Trump you are seemingly unable to admit to ANY mistakes and that is a sign of hugely, huge, big think like, huge weakness.


Stop as well with this pretend innocence and naivety. Do i really need to explain to you how Bannon and Trump interfering in Brexit etc is exactly what Globalists do? you complicate things in order to obsfucate. You are a typical globalist in your outlook. Look at the Premiership and your vomit inducing ignorant following of Liverpool as though you can divorce that from socialism and globalist bullshit. Your country has fucking wrecked football and culture all over these islands and yet you think that you can simply hive off communities and art and people and just replace them with money and make the world American without being a globalist. Just like Trump and his hotels and fucking shite golf stick resorts and his kneeling before the Saudis. You are supporting the very same NWO you at the same time are warning us all about.

It doesn't work. Nobody is buying it. Look at how corrupt his admin has been. Look at the turnover alone when Trump is supposed to be some expert in hiring people. By any measure the guy is fucking beyond useless and yet you will not look it in the eye

https://www.brookings.edu/research/tracking-turnover-in-the-trump-administration/

Alright....so you're saying you don't/haven't/wouldn't "review my character" and yet in your previous post you call me, and I quote "petty and slippery". What are those words to me Beanz? Are they merely about my posting style? OK let's take your word for it and assume they are. So let's delve into your issues with me: My posting style - Beanz, I've offered so many times to change how I post in order to appease you. I've even gone so far as to ask you directly to review my posts before they are made, I've asked you to provide a template to me of how YOU want my posts laid out that you would accept, and I've never gotten 1 single answer from you. What I HAVE received have been your complaints which are apparently never ending "B-b-but numbered posts", "B-b-b-but breaking up posts and quotes", "B-b-b-b-but you post too much", "B-bb-b-but bullet points"....so I ask again @Beanz, how may I help you?. My politics? Yeah they're different than yours and if you don't like, appreciate, or accept that tough. Ethical relativism? OK then we can certainly have a discussion on your views of my ethics. Am I to understand that your ethics are absolute? And then of course we'd have to discuss if relative or absolute ethics are best which would be quite the topic indeed and I believe (I mean for whatever the fuck that's worth to you ) yeah I'd probably have more than a few hypocritical stances if I'm being honest, I'm not a robot, I'd expect that of everyone given the subject but I'm not going to answer for you because well you haven't debated that topic...and we'll see if you do. "Refusal to debate" well I mean I disagree with you there, but then again my understanding of debate might be different than yours. For example, right now I'd be classifying this response as if not a "debate" per say at the very least a "discussion" the "debate" part would come if you responded to the specific points I made OR if you were to say not accept the premise of something I posted but still responded...I'd consider that a "debate".

You cannot surely being denying how petty and slippery you are when you refuse to address issues and evidence and instead weight your own opinion as though it were the same thing?

So again this isn't about my character? When you post things like this in such a sanctimonious tone does it actually register for you or is this just how you are? What am I not addressing? If in this case Steve Bannon is guilty of this fraud then he should be punished what more would you like from me? You mention others indicted who are close to Trump and I tell you truthfully how I feel about them. I believe Papadopolous, Gen. Flynn, and Roger Stone were railroaded by a politicized DOJ which A) Attempted a coup and B ) Are still attempting to hide the fact they attempted a coup....and if I wasn't correct in that belief FBI officials wouldn't be pleading guilty now would they?

If you believe TitoFan has it wrong then that's your opinion and you own it and are entitled to it. What would you like me to do with it? I mean I see how you treat my opinion, perhaps I should swap mine out for yours wholecloth? Maybe that would change your opinion of me for the better and end any issues you have with me? Perhaps all along you've just wanted to be patronized and I've been missing the cues?


Pretend innocence and naivety? Interfering in Brexit? Yeah you didn't seem to have any issue with Obama interfering in Brexit, you don't seem to have any issues with Christopher Steele aiding a coup against our President. Weren't you just going on about my "ethical relativity"? How am I "Globalist in my outlook"?

Your country has fucking wrecked football and culture all over these islands

Hmmm....interesting take Beanz. How could America ruin your culture if your culture is the culture of immigrants and refugees? Americans are different than immigrants and refugees? How many chip shops and pubs have been converted into Halal takeaways? And America did that? Based Beaner England First am I right?


Good chat I eagerly await your reply

You are mistaking straightforwardness with being sanctimonious.

I have never told you how to post or told you not to post or said that you post too much. That is just another deflection tactic which is really about you claiming victim status rather than get to the point.

You say an awful lot but you never address the subject at hand. Look at this thread. You will not look at or listen to what Trump says but would rather pretend it is all about Obama, The Democrats, Socialists, the price of fish... Anything but the crook you want to pretend is something he is not.

I don't want you to adopt my opinion, far from it. Just stop running away from facts and pretending personal responsibility does not exist. It's not anyones fault but that of the criminals Trump has always surrounded himself with.

Fish and Chips is an Italian Import, Indian food has been massive in the UK for years. And actually the biggest destroyer of pubs... (many of them hundreds of years old) is Wetherspoons, a chain run by a Kiwi cunt connected to Johnson, Farrage and enabled by Brexit and a corrupt Tory government that allowed him to sack his staff whilst claiming government subsidies for emptying them.

Swamp filling cunts neck deep in it with Trump and his treasonous cohorts.

[SlimTrae]

IT's a an organized crime family
Former Trump Supporter

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I watched the videos I listened good and I listened hard, I was ready to accept some hard truths about President Trump.


The videos are all sizzle no steak. The first guy "his whole family, they're nothing but a bunch of grifters"..need I go on to pick apart why THAT guy is a gold bricking phony?


As for the second fellow. So he's a Christian and a Republican in California and he voted for Trump because he assumed Trump would change? How does that make ANY fucking sense? 'Weeeell suuuuure Trump has been in the public eye since the early 1980's, but I never thought he'd stay true to who he is, I mean golly...I'm bamboozled!!!' Also "I voted for Romney and McCain".....how old is that guy? You buying he voted 12 years ago? I'm not I'd card him for alcohol NOW


If you buy those videos fine, buy them,

I'm sure the GOP has similar videos


Maybe a Trump hater will watch those and see & hear something different @TitoFan, you buy those vids?

I'd wager you have a 0% rate of ever seeing those you vote from an objective perspective, let alone detailing what policies work, instead you'd prefer to give your opinion as in:

believable stories from a bum
The body language in those videos alone would make a lie detector explode..
I'd card him for alcohol
Maybe a Trump hater will watch those


When will a Trump supporter post something substantive on the millions out of work, almost a million per week, 35+ million.
Something tangible on his response to covid19 instead of playing his attorney & defending him.
Providing facts on what policies /laws/resolutions have drawn our troops down in numbers-


It's easier for you to quote my posts, than vice versa. why would I respond/judge opinions?


With me, I try my best to stick to the topic of what I think is relative to a Trump Thread- so in usual form you went cherry-picking-again!
1. I gave my take on the president involving himself in our postal system as news worthy. You bypassed it-no need to respond now. That's tacky to be forced to reply

2. He put someone in charge to run it, that also gets paid by USPS competitor which leads to a possible discussion if putting him there was strategic.-You bypassed it-no need to respond now. That's tacky to be forced to reply

3.Then I posted a video Questioning how believable for any daughter to speak on behalf of their father being pro-American- with a video of how much product he makes overseas

4. After that I posted the video of him claiming his daughter brought 14 million, now 15 million jobs, wondering what Trump supporters have to back that up, let alone the need to ignore that. S


5. Because I think his supporters are angry, bitter one dimensional thinkers, I wanted to back it up with an Alex Jones video. How can someone say such harsh things as F the prez & F his whole family, -yet still support him. Either he is nuts or he


And I would LOVE TO WAGER YOU THAT THERE ARE WAYYYYYY MORE VETS AGAINST HIM THEN FOR.


I spent about 10 minutes perusing the 1s few pages of this thread to see if you have actually ever posted Trump's words or videos...I gave up after page 6 I think..

Rather than posting Trump, you post on his behalf with statements like:
please learn that he's commenting like that to fuck with a certain group of people
He knows exactly how to TROLL
Trump can wind up the mainstream media with 1 single tweet like nobody I've ever seen
Pepe isn't racist he's a cartoon frog who is green, is Kermit the Frog racist
Not a peep on Obama's corruption
Can't make a horse climb a tree.
Steve Schmidt is the drooling imbecile, Rick Wilson is the perennial loser, and well take your pick of the wimpy little idiots.
Roy Moore is a truer Conservative/Right Wing candidate and not a Rhino.


So it's no wonder you would say If I buy those videos. If you practice what you preach- you'd know those videos were an overall presentation of how many demographics cant stand him, and I pre-told in advance, that every Trump supporter will label them ALL be they veterans, active, Christians, news pundits, lifetime republican voters, grandmas & grandpas: they will all be labeled. Trump voters- All of you have a 100% rate of responding with:
insults, beratement, judgement, pre-judgmental accusations
liberal bashing cartoons
videos deriding Clinton, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, media
Tweets deriding Clinton, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, media
Links from abstract websites like vox, or anything not relative to Trump
& every 35-75 pages a Trumper might link a chart or graph.

Then I guess you don't like my opinion and that is what it is.

If a Republican who voted Trump and then decided to vote Biden exists then I believe they'd probably specify reasons which don't involve emotional bullshit rather than solid political policy...but that's how MY mind works. What are the POLICIES, what is the Incumbent doing in office vs what the challenger is promising.

"I voted Trump because I'm a Lincoln brand Republican" strikes me a Conservative as needlessly vague and evoking a lauded former President from a century neither I, my parents, or my Grandparents experienced.

"I voted Trump because God told me & I thought he would change" is likewise questionable...not saying that guy isn't telling HIS truth, but I don't have God speak to me to tell me who to vote for. I don't think Trump is any kind of fundamentalist Christian or serious about religion. Why would I? Now Mike Pence might be a different story, but Trump himself? I think he pays more homage to Christianity than any Democrat is able to these days.

No need to single me out on your opinions. I'd wager 95% of political posts you make turns personal and draws a fight dating back years. You are not the MVP of opinion based on the countless arguments you engage on a daily basis

Whats to respect about reading posts riddled with insults you claim are opinions, regardless that I've asked you many years, if you have no facts, please PLEASE don't post me outside of boxing or music or a food/wine thread maybe, don't waste my time reading your opinions of:

emotional bullshit
The videos are all sizzle no steak.
The first guy "his whole family, they're nothing but a bunch of grifters
need I go on to pick apart why THAT guy is a gold bricking phony?
How does that make ANY fucking sense?
I mean golly...I'm bamboozled!!!'


What is there to like about that?

No need to respond on the 14 turned 15 millions jobs your prez claimed his daughter alone brought to America, No need to post videos of Trump, Do you know how many videos you've posted on Obama? I'd say at least 100. to zero for Donnie Darko.
You don't quote him, you don't hold him to ANY standards you held just four years ago & when I call you out on it, you go opinion on me, so as I stated please, dont post me on anything outside boxing or music and I won't keep reciting, revisiting your history and showing when U use to be for...what you are against today; details over ambiguity and facts over opinions


You on Obama:
The buck stops with Barry and you've YET to give him responsibility for anything,
I don't cut Obama slack because I'm treating him just the same
I don't like my leaders whining about shit
I've been tired of the "But George Bush ruined everything" excuse
Kirkland blindly support Obama and whatever he does


You on Drumpf
He gets shit done
patience is a virtue
I love it the way he trolls the media
he has to clean up Obama's mess.

Please dont answer these questions, I am just explaining to no avail I didnt come to respect opinions, I like facts, arguing with objective thinkers that I can reflect on and say, wow I never knew that. I learned something today.
Not in this thread!

[NoSavingByTheBell]

emotional bullshit
The videos are all sizzle no steak.
The first guy "his whole family, they're nothing but a bunch of grifters
need I go on to pick apart why THAT guy is a gold bricking phony?
How does that make ANY fucking sense?
I mean golly...I'm bamboozled!!!'

[TIC]

kissinger got rid of bannon because he went after him. they want sexual deviant roger in there

[El Kabong]

You are mistaking straightforwardness with being sanctimonious.

I have never told you how to post or told you not to post or said that you post too much. That is just another deflection tactic which is really about you claiming victim status rather than get to the point.

You say an awful lot but you never address the subject at hand. Look at this thread. You will not look at or listen to what Trump says but would rather pretend it is all about Obama, The Democrats, Socialists, the price of fish... Anything but the crook you want to pretend is something he is not.

I don't want you to adopt my opinion, far from it. Just stop running away from facts and pretending personal responsibility does not exist. It's not anyones fault but that of the criminals Trump has always surrounded himself with.

Fish and Chips is an Italian Import, Indian food has been massive in the UK for years. And actually the biggest destroyer of pubs... (many of them hundreds of years old) is Wetherspoons, a chain run by a Kiwi cunt connected to Johnson, Farrage and enabled by Brexit and a corrupt Tory government that allowed him to sack his staff whilst claiming government subsidies for emptying them.

Swamp filling cunts neck deep in it with Trump and his treasonous cohorts.

Oh ok then, perhaps I am.

You've NEVER commented on the number of my posts? Never? You've NEVER called for "new blood"? You've NEVER bellyached about the style of my posts be it numbered bullet points or breaking apart paragraphs into separate thoughts? Never? that's NEVER happened That is news to me. You complained about me asking for citations...so I guess to you baseless horseshit is preferable to thoughts and ideas backed up with facts and statistics and evidence?

@Beanz I'll ask again...Would you pretty please with a cherry on top, tell me what to post, the manner in which to post it? And I will do my God's honest best to make that a reality so I can avoid your constant ire and incessant bitching.

No need to single me out on your opinions. I'd wager 95% of political posts you make turns personal and draws a fight dating back years. You are not the MVP of opinion based on the countless arguments you engage on a daily basis

Whats to respect about reading posts riddled with insults you claim are opinions, regardless that I've asked you many years, if you have no facts, please PLEASE don't post me outside of boxing or music or a food/wine thread maybe, don't waste my time reading your opinions of:

emotional bullshit
The videos are all sizzle no steak.
The first guy "his whole family, they're nothing but a bunch of grifters
need I go on to pick apart why THAT guy is a gold bricking phony?
How does that make ANY fucking sense?
I mean golly...I'm bamboozled!!!'



What is there to like about that?

No need to respond on the 14 turned 15 millions jobs your prez claimed his daughter alone brought to America, No need to post videos of Trump, Do you know how many videos you've posted on Obama? I'd say at least 100. to zero for Donnie Darko.
You don't quote him, you don't hold him to ANY standards you held just four years ago & when I call you out on it, you go opinion on me, so as I stated please, dont post me on anything outside boxing or music and I won't keep reciting, revisiting your history and showing when U use to be for...what you are against today; details over ambiguity and facts over opinions


You on Obama:
The buck stops with Barry and you've YET to give him responsibility for anything,
I don't cut Obama slack because I'm treating him just the same
I don't like my leaders whining about shit
I've been tired of the "But George Bush ruined everything" excuse
Kirkland blindly support Obama and whatever he does


You on Drumpf
He gets shit done
patience is a virtue
I love it the way he trolls the media
he has to clean up Obama's mess.

Please dont answer these questions, I am just explaining to no avail I didnt come to respect opinions, I like facts, arguing with objective thinkers that I can reflect on and say, wow I never knew that. I learned something today.
Not in this thread!

When I listen to ANYONE say "I'm voting for candidate ____" I attempt to listen to the reasons. And that is all I did in watching those videos and YOU asked me to watch them, you put them here for people to watch did you not?


So when I don't hear people mention policy, when I don't hear them get SPECIFIC (regardless of which party) I don't believe them. Now maybe if someone says "Oh I like Trump he makes me feel good about America again" or "Joe Biden chose Kamala Harris as his VP choice and that gives me hope that my children can live in a freer more just America" or some such, MAYBE I let that slide....but to not mention the specifics of why they either chose to vote FOR Trump or AGAINST HRC, the ad could be anyone just reading a script. But again....that is my opinion. that is how I process the information available in an AD that you wanted me to watch.


Want me to answer for Trump? Jesus how long do you have? Can we start with the full "Very fine people" quote which Biden has lambasted Trump with actually he condemned "Nazis" & "White Supremacists" by name, I use the quotation marks because he specifically said "they should be condemned". But hey if you no longer wish to discuss things fine don't

[El Kabong]

Remember the whole "White Supremacists and Nazis support Trump" thing that the media hammered the shit out of?





https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/...719463424?s=20


How about now?

[Beanz]

El Kabong enough of the horeshit. Just be straightforward. Just be honest. Just admit that you have no interest in any kind of debate about the facts and admit that you would rather attack a posters character, bleat on about Obama and pretend that you are some persecuted censored minority rather than address one single thing Trump has said or done.


Commenting on the number of your posts, is not telling you not to post. Suggesting that it is refreshing when we get some new posters, is not the same as telling you not to post. Commenting on the evasive and long winded anal nature of your posts, is not telling you how to post. You can post as much as you like and how you like. Stop pretending anyone is suggesting that you should not. You are simply inventing a weird kind of censorship that you have never been subject to but that would reflect your own cancel culture, which is a key part of your posting on this site.

Stop asking me to tell you what or how to post and tell us about the Elephant in the room.

TODAY IN TRUMP.

It is never about him for you. He could massacre your entire neighborhood or shit on your lasagna and you would still make it about Indian food in the UK (which i enjoyed tonight by the way ) or Obama being a bit too talented as an orator to be trusted.

Stop fucking about and give us some reasons why you would ignore the thousands of lies and broken promises from Trump and bang on about people not in power.

[El Kabong]

I'd respond directly to your question Beanz, but it has a "Have you stopped beating your wife?" built in narrative to it. I'm obviously not accusing you of beating anyone let alone a woman, the quoted question is used to describe questions formed in the manner you have here. Which is to say "give us some reasons why you would ignore the thousands of lies and broken promises from Trump" says as a part of the question that Trump has lied and broken promises his entire time in office and there's no work around it's built into the question. So if I'm discussing say the Health Care Freedom Act of 2017 (HCFA) (AKA repeal & replace the Affordable Care Act) the numbers in the Senate came down to John McCain who promised Donald Trump he'd vote in favor, McCain ran for re-election having PROMISED to his constituents to repeal & replace, and when it got down to brass tacks McCain sided with Obama and not Trump and voted no and the Bill died 49 YEA - 51 NAY. Had McCain voted YEA then VP Pence would have voted YEA as the tiebreaker for the Senate. So that's not a "lie" and it's not a "broken promise" as Trump used Executive Orders to remove the tax penalty (ie the mandate) and also issued Executive Order 13813, titled an Executive Order to Promote Healthcare Choice and Competition.

Donald Trump was handed an economy which was the slowest post recession growing economy America has ever had, he didn't complain about it. He didn't waste time blaming Obama, he took the reigns and he started to change the economy. Now maybe some people think "Well he's riding Obama's coattails" .....ok then I guess after this Coronavirus has hammered the everliving shit out of our economy let's see what he does then because surely if it wasn't Trump's economy THEN it sure as fuck is NOW. And what do we have? As the country opens back up (slowly but surely) we have a V shaped recovery and not the Chinese water torture of Obama's slow growth.

Foreign policy, Trump has gotten our Allies to act like responsible allies and actually pay their fair shares into things like NATO. Trump allowed our generals to demolish ISIS, the caliphate no longer exists. He has worked with North Korea, but not "given in" or "given up too much" in talks and right now it seems like Lil Kim has a sister to worry about more than firing off rockets. Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem which shows he puts his money where his mouth is. That was a SIMPLE fix, an EASY promise to make and keep and who has it truly pissed off? Seemingly nobody. And that is impressive because the peace deal he put together between Israel and other Middle Eastern nations is HIGHLY impressive. Trump has been strong on Iran, Russia, and China hitting them with sanctions and tariffs when needs be. Trump also has been less willing to get 100% stuck in a war in Syria. We've got troops nearby, we've got force nearby, but we aren't a part of that war for the most part.

Trump appreciates the flag and National Anthem (not difficult to do, not controversial) and statues and history of our nation. That is important to me as an American because our history is important, our founding is important, and my fellow countrymen and I need to have an understanding of we're all on the same team here, we're all Americans, and this is a special nation, a good home. There are SOME people who strongly disagree with those notions, and they're free to do so, but if nothing ties us together? If we share no common goal, what are we doing? This is why the National Anthem playing before every event is a big deal, it takes a few minutes and it reminds us we're countrymen....how that has become "hateful" is beyond me.

Trump has done well, not great on immigration. The wall is being built (so slow) but he has rescinded federal grants to "sanctuary cities" he has signed three Executive Orders aimed at cracking down on international criminal organizations.


Trump has hit human traffickers hard! That's a good thing. Trump has provided historic funding to Historically Black Colleges which is a positive.



So yeah those are all good things as his approval rating among Republicans would tell you.


Hope that helps and I guess I'll stick to Trump and what Trump has said now....until that date where everyone complains I post too much about that. I mean he's the fucking incumbent, his work is never not on display...oh well.

[Beanz]

[Beanz]

I'd respond directly to your question Beanz, but it has a "Have you stopped beating your wife?" built in narrative to it. I'm obviously not accusing you of beating anyone let alone a woman, the quoted question is used to describe questions formed in the manner you have here. Which is to say "give us some reasons why you would ignore the thousands of lies and broken promises from Trump" says as a part of the question that Trump has lied and broken promises his entire time in office and there's no work around it's built into the question. So if I'm discussing say the Health Care Freedom Act of 2017 (HCFA) (AKA repeal & replace the Affordable Care Act) the numbers in the Senate came down to John McCain who promised Donald Trump he'd vote in favor, McCain ran for re-election having PROMISED to his constituents to repeal & replace, and when it got down to brass tacks McCain sided with Obama and not Trump and voted no and the Bill died 49 YEA - 51 NAY. Had McCain voted YEA then VP Pence would have voted YEA as the tiebreaker for the Senate. So that's not a "lie" and it's not a "broken promise" as Trump used Executive Orders to remove the tax penalty (ie the mandate) and also issued Executive Order 13813, titled an Executive Order to Promote Healthcare Choice and Competition.

Donald Trump was handed an economy which was the slowest post recession growing economy America has ever had, he didn't complain about it. He didn't waste time blaming Obama, he took the reigns and he started to change the economy. Now maybe some people think "Well he's riding Obama's coattails" .....ok then I guess after this Coronavirus has hammered the everliving shit out of our economy let's see what he does then because surely if it wasn't Trump's economy THEN it sure as fuck is NOW. And what do we have? As the country opens back up (slowly but surely) we have a V shaped recovery and not the Chinese water torture of Obama's slow growth.

Foreign policy, Trump has gotten our Allies to act like responsible allies and actually pay their fair shares into things like NATO. Trump allowed our generals to demolish ISIS, the caliphate no longer exists. He has worked with North Korea, but not "given in" or "given up too much" in talks and right now it seems like Lil Kim has a sister to worry about more than firing off rockets. Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem which shows he puts his money where his mouth is. That was a SIMPLE fix, an EASY promise to make and keep and who has it truly pissed off? Seemingly nobody. And that is impressive because the peace deal he put together between Israel and other Middle Eastern nations is HIGHLY impressive. Trump has been strong on Iran, Russia, and China hitting them with sanctions and tariffs when needs be. Trump also has been less willing to get 100% stuck in a war in Syria. We've got troops nearby, we've got force nearby, but we aren't a part of that war for the most part.

Trump appreciates the flag and National Anthem (not difficult to do, not controversial) and statues and history of our nation. That is important to me as an American because our history is important, our founding is important, and my fellow countrymen and I need to have an understanding of we're all on the same team here, we're all Americans, and this is a special nation, a good home. There are SOME people who strongly disagree with those notions, and they're free to do so, but if nothing ties us together? If we share no common goal, what are we doing? This is why the National Anthem playing before every event is a big deal, it takes a few minutes and it reminds us we're countrymen....how that has become "hateful" is beyond me.

Trump has done well, not great on immigration. The wall is being built (so slow) but he has rescinded federal grants to "sanctuary cities" he has signed three Executive Orders aimed at cracking down on international criminal organizations.


Trump has hit human traffickers hard! That's a good thing. Trump has provided historic funding to Historically Black Colleges which is a positive.



So yeah those are all good things as his approval rating among Republicans would tell you.


Hope that helps and I guess I'll stick to Trump and what Trump has said now....until that date where everyone complains I post too much about that. I mean he's the fucking incumbent, his work is never not on display...oh well.

Already you are back to blaming everyone but Don. Starting with blaming a dead Veteran and then just repeating Trumps lies instead of casting a critical eye over what he claims and looking at evidence rather than just repeating his propaganda.


https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/pay...an-never-comes

[Beanz]

I'd respond directly to your question Beanz, but it has a "Have you stopped beating your wife?" built in narrative to it. I'm obviously not accusing you of beating anyone let alone a woman, the quoted question is used to describe questions formed in the manner you have here. Which is to say "give us some reasons why you would ignore the thousands of lies and broken promises from Trump" says as a part of the question that Trump has lied and broken promises his entire time in office and there's no work around it's built into the question. So if I'm discussing say the Health Care Freedom Act of 2017 (HCFA) (AKA repeal & replace the Affordable Care Act) the numbers in the Senate came down to John McCain who promised Donald Trump he'd vote in favor, McCain ran for re-election having PROMISED to his constituents to repeal & replace, and when it got down to brass tacks McCain sided with Obama and not Trump and voted no and the Bill died 49 YEA - 51 NAY. Had McCain voted YEA then VP Pence would have voted YEA as the tiebreaker for the Senate. So that's not a "lie" and it's not a "broken promise" as Trump used Executive Orders to remove the tax penalty (ie the mandate) and also issued Executive Order 13813, titled an Executive Order to Promote Healthcare Choice and Competition.

Donald Trump was handed an economy which was the slowest post recession growing economy America has ever had, he didn't complain about it. He didn't waste time blaming Obama, he took the reigns and he started to change the economy. Now maybe some people think "Well he's riding Obama's coattails" .....ok then I guess after this Coronavirus has hammered the everliving shit out of our economy let's see what he does then because surely if it wasn't Trump's economy THEN it sure as fuck is NOW. And what do we have? As the country opens back up (slowly but surely) we have a V shaped recovery and not the Chinese water torture of Obama's slow growth.

Foreign policy, Trump has gotten our Allies to act like responsible allies and actually pay their fair shares into things like NATO. Trump allowed our generals to demolish ISIS, the caliphate no longer exists. He has worked with North Korea, but not "given in" or "given up too much" in talks and right now it seems like Lil Kim has a sister to worry about more than firing off rockets. Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem which shows he puts his money where his mouth is. That was a SIMPLE fix, an EASY promise to make and keep and who has it truly pissed off? Seemingly nobody. And that is impressive because the peace deal he put together between Israel and other Middle Eastern nations is HIGHLY impressive. Trump has been strong on Iran, Russia, and China hitting them with sanctions and tariffs when needs be. Trump also has been less willing to get 100% stuck in a war in Syria. We've got troops nearby, we've got force nearby, but we aren't a part of that war for the most part.

Trump appreciates the flag and National Anthem (not difficult to do, not controversial) and statues and history of our nation. That is important to me as an American because our history is important, our founding is important, and my fellow countrymen and I need to have an understanding of we're all on the same team here, we're all Americans, and this is a special nation, a good home. There are SOME people who strongly disagree with those notions, and they're free to do so, but if nothing ties us together? If we share no common goal, what are we doing? This is why the National Anthem playing before every event is a big deal, it takes a few minutes and it reminds us we're countrymen....how that has become "hateful" is beyond me.

Trump has done well, not great on immigration. The wall is being built (so slow) but he has rescinded federal grants to "sanctuary cities" he has signed three Executive Orders aimed at cracking down on international criminal organizations.


Trump has hit human traffickers hard! That's a good thing. Trump has provided historic funding to Historically Black Colleges which is a positive.



So yeah those are all good things as his approval rating among Republicans would tell you.


Hope that helps and I guess I'll stick to Trump and what Trump has said now....until that date where everyone complains I post too much about that. I mean he's the fucking incumbent, his work is never not on display...oh well.

Trump has consistently backed corrupt and despotic leaders rather than show any moral conviction in opposing them. Look at how he has given the criminal Netanyahu a pat on the back and sold the Palestinians down the river and here you are calling it 'HIGHLY IMPRESSIVE' He thinks money solves everything including buying Palestinian land.

Putin, Kim Jong Un, Netanyahu have all taken the piss out of your great leader and he has been happy to be a willing patsy whilst treating NATO and Europe like they are the enemy. Like you he is an American happy to be ignorant of real American history and would rather stoke division and play everyone against each other than fight for any real American values or principles. He has made the White House into an armed fortress and made American citizens into cannon fodder, bungling them into the back of trucks, tear gassing veterans and pensioners and shooting people on their porches as you applaud him and hide behind your keyboard.

Far from fighting human traffickers Trump has made it his business to deal with them as partners in Russia and elsewhere.

Felix Sater

Emin and Aras Agalarov

Tevfik Arif

He will use victims for Political gain but that is not the same thing as actually hitting human traffickers like your QANON childish bullshit weirdos bullshit you in order to stop you looking into Trump.

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...olitical-gain/

[El Kabong]

Already you are back to blaming everyone but Don. Starting with blaming a dead Veteran and then just repeating Trumps lies instead of casting a critical eye over what he claims and looking at evidence rather than just repeating his propaganda.


https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/pay...an-never-comes

Nope wrong again El Kabong.

Oh and all those things about Trump are propaganda!





But I NEVER EVER EVER EVER tell you how to post

[El Kabong]

Trump has consistently backed corrupt and despotic leaders rather than show any moral conviction in opposing them. Look at how he has given the criminal Netanyahu a pat on the back and sold the Palestinians down the river and here you are calling it 'HIGHLY IMPRESSIVE' He thinks money solves everything including buying Palestinian land.

Putin, Kim Jong Un, Netanyahu have all taken the piss out of your great leader and he has been happy to be a willing patsy whilst treating NATO and Europe like they are the enemy. Like you he is an American happy to be ignorant of real American history and would rather stoke division and play everyone against each other than fight for any real American values or principles. He has made the White House into an armed fortress and made American citizens into cannon fodder, bungling them into the back of trucks, tear gassing veterans and pensioners and shooting people on their porches as you applaud him and hide behind your keyboard.

Far from fighting human traffickers Trump has made it his business to deal with them as partners in Russia and elsewhere.

Felix Sater

Emin and Aras Agalarov

Tevfik Arif

He will use victims for Political gain but that is not the same thing as actually hitting human traffickers like your QANON childish bullshit weirdos bullshit you in order to stop you looking into Trump.

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...olitical-gain/

Enlighten me Beanz....go right on ahead, you're on a roll I can tell.

[Spicoli]

Remember the whole "White Supremacists and Nazis support Trump" thing that the media hammered the shit out of?





https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/...719463424?s=20


How about now?

Not exactly retweeting White power chants and finding good people on both sides railing 'Jews will not replace us' now is it? Perhaps Trump and team could use an example on how to disavow and respond when these scabs come calling...

"When Joe Biden says we are in a battle for the soul of our nation against vile forces of hate who have come crawling out from under rocks, you are the epitome of what he means. What you stand for is absolutely repugnant. Your support is 10,000% percent unwelcome here." Senior Biden Advisor