Anthony Joshua has ZERO CHANCE of beating Fury - he will be humiliated in fact!

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Yes, about as superhuman as Ali or Foreman's.

[Primo Carnera]

Yes, about as superhuman as Ali or Foreman's.

So , is it just Fury’s chin we’re comparing with Ali and Foreman , or any other parts of his make up?
I’d be interested to know where you rank Fury in these elite circles. Very interested.

[Master]

Yes, about as superhuman as Ali or Foreman's.

So , is it just Fury’s chin we’re comparing with Ali and Foreman , or any other parts of his make up?
I’d be interested to know where you rank Fury in these elite circles. Very interested.

In one of Tyson's interviews with his dad they were saying that Fury was the greatest ever heavyweight. Tyson has still yet to defend his title once.

[SlimTrae]

Yes, about as superhuman as Ali or Foreman's.

So , is it just Fury’s chin we’re comparing with Ali and Foreman , or any other parts of his make up?
I’d be interested to know where you rank Fury in these elite circles. Very interested.

In one of Tyson's interviews with his dad they were saying that Fury was the greatest ever heavyweight. Tyson has still yet to defend his title once.

Seems to be his way. I will give the benefit of the doubt on Wilder wanting the rubber match & the pandemic delaying his chance to prove himself.


The dude is a freak in terms of his agility at that size, packed with attitude of a great to add on. But he could screw his potential legacy up if he doesn't defend at least 2x. Meaning the argument to keep him from being mentioned as an ATG is determined by -uh, no more than 2 or 3 fights.

Andrew Ward is my example; not a lot of matches, but he fought in a great era making those few count. I think TF can do the same with a win over Klitchko a long reigning champ, Wilder the KO artist of the era & AJ the young boxer who grabbed all the belts but one.
His fans can argue quality beats quantity.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Yes, about as superhuman as Ali or Foreman's.

So , is it just Fury’s chin we’re comparing with Ali and Foreman , or any other parts of his make up?
I’d be interested to know where you rank Fury in these elite circles. Very interested.

Primo, I can compare EXACTLY Fury with Muhammad Ali on TWO fronts. Chin and Mental Fortitude. And for a 6 ft 9 inch dude, I may even on a good day say MOVEMENT as well. But he is not on Ali's level (or Foreman's for that matter) as he has not fought often nor consistently enough to earn that rep.

@Beanz is right that Joshua does have 21 KOs which is a sign of aggression, though I think some of them came as counter-punching kind of KOs rather than straight-at-you-Iron-Mike-style assaults, but still they are 21 of 24 KOs, and there is always that chance he does have against Fury, though I feel it fades fast after about Round 6 that AJ will be able to comeback from what I feel will be a wipeout on the cards if this goes to a decision we're talking 116-113 Unanimously.

The English teacher was right when he posted a few posts above that this is an odd thread due to the fact I said Fury wins 10 out of 10 times yet still said AJ has that slugger's chance (but only through Round 3 or 4 max). It does appear I am arguing both sides a bit, but to be fair to AJ I had to say he can KO anyone if he lands, barring if Fury's chin is even more superhuman than I already feel it is. But nonetheless I am still saying Fury will not get caught by a rushin-in shark-like AJ in the first 3 rounds because AJ doesnt fight like that. If Wilder couldnt do it to Fury, AJ sure as heck wont.

Wlad's movement esp lateral movement was SHIT and then even worse as he was going on 42 years old against AJ. Even a 38 year old Wlad would have finished the job after he put AJ down in Round 6 (was it?). AJ will not be able to do to Fury what he did to the rather stationary 41 yr old Wlad

[NoSavingByTheBell]

***LET ME PUT IT IN A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD ANALOGY****

Sonny Liston could fight Muhammad Ali 10 times and he would lose all 10 fights and we all are pretty sure about that. #Fact

Yet nobody would deny that Sonny Liston was a great fighter and I am not denying that Anthony Joshua is a great fighter either.

[Primo Carnera]

Comparing Ali/Clay with Fury on Mental Fortitude hey?
On the one hand , we have a guy that won an Olympic Gold Medal for his Country only to realise on his return that he was treated like a second class citizen and wasn’t even allowed in some restaurants because of the colour of his skin.
Then he rises rapidly through the ranks to take on the beast of the day that EVERYONE was scared of, and not only beat him fairly easily against all odds, but in the build up to the fight , taunt and ridicule him like no-one ever dared to before.
And then at the peak of his career , risk everything for the sake of his morals after Alienating the Whole nation and probably the whole World with his religious beliefs.
And then , after giving up his peak years, do it all over again and take his title back off the next BEAST that everyone was scared of.
All the time , being under the spotlight like no other sportsman and very few people in history have ever been before. And dealing with that.
On the other hand, you have a guy that won a World title, went off the rails , spiralling into an abyss of drink and drug issues, mental depression, very close to a Suicide attempt and ballooning in weight by 130lbs and experiencing low self esteem and basically not being able to cope.
Right, so maybe I’m being harsh, maybe he had the “mental fortitude “ to lose that weight and get back on track. Well yes, but Ali would never have got into that position in the first place.
And please let’s not compare “beasts”. Nobody would utter Liston or Foreman’s name, whereas everybody wanted Wilder and Wilder even resorted to calling out novices when he was champion.
Any decent HW Would beat Wilder. Trouble is, there aren’t many decent ones around.
Fury’s mental state is fragile, precarious. He knows himself that it could all go pear shaped again, and that’s why I don’t see him having the same mental strength.
Don’t get me wrong, I admire Fury and I really hope he can live a long, happy , content life. That is more important to him than any titles.
I’m not hating on Fury, I’ve already said he would be favourite if the fight was made, and I stand by my opinion that currently , apart from the AJ Fight , the only way he loses to anyone is because of himself and his mental state at the time.
I’m sorry , I don’t see it as mental strength, it’s a time bomb and closer to metal weakness I’m afraid.
I like the guy as a person and like I said, my main hope for Fury is that he finds inner peace and holds onto that for many , many years to come.
Ps. Please let’s not even consider comparing them on movement.

[TIC]

aj has a chance. why would he be humiliated by losing to one of the best heavies today?

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Mainly I was talking about mental fortitude in the ring. Just like Muhammad Ali, Tyson fury completely Sykes himself up to know deep down in his being that he is not going to lose the fight. His will to win.

And clearly he does have mental fortitude to pull yourself back from the brink of suicide and drug addiction. Even you have just admitted that.

but I was mainly talking about inside the ring during a fight. Tyson fury has a kind of craziness to him a mental fortitude and they crazy and I felt like Muhammad Ali had a bit of that craziness too ,and showmanship , which seemed to raise him up another notch.