Shamrock vs. Ortiz III *SEE IT HERE*

[Von Milash]

who the hell won?...noun of yall mentioned who won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tito won.

[Majesty]

He says he did, but every fighter that has ever stepped into the ring has an injury...it's part of the sport that everyone learns to deal with and doesn't whine about, unless they perform poorly. Then after the fight, they say something like "He did a great job in there....he really won that fight...I had hurt myself a week ago, so I didn't perform at 100%" ...I've heard it a million times.

And as for Tito's douchebaggery...watch about 10 seconds BEFORE he hugs Ken...he does his grave digger thing, then he flips him off, and walks away when Ken initially comes over to hug him and congratulate him, until some other guys step in and tell him to play nice. I don't believe crap of what TUF showed of Tito's personality....a man once said, "Give me enough footage, and I can make Michael Moore look like an anorexic conservative." Be careful of what you see on reality TV :P

Tito does that to everyone. And in a competitive sport you're not always gonna be nice. Fact is Tito didn't have to hug Ken. He didnt have to take his hand up and walk him around the ring. he didnt have to apologize for flipping Ken off. He didn't have to show a tremendous respect to Ken after the fight. He didnt have to. But he did.

[Heavy D]

By that logic, if I rape and murder your mother, but then apologize to you and say what a great guy you are and your mother was, that would make me an okay guy? Tito is a classless douchebag. He really is. Maybe its just a persona, maybe he really is a nice guy. But I have yet to see it. Ken is a douchebag too. He talks a lot of shit. When Tito starts acting like Randy Couture, then we can chat about what a good guy he is.

[Majesty]

By that logic, if I rape and murder your mother, but then apologize to you and say what a great guy you are and your mother was, that would make me an okay guy? Tito is a classless douchebag. He really is. Maybe its just a persona, maybe he really is a nice guy. But I have yet to see it. Ken is a douchebag too. He talks a lot of shit. When Tito starts acting like Randy Couture, then we can chat about what a good guy he is.

You didn't know about when he helped Chuck find a place to stay and let him live with him for months and they trained together he doesn't sound like a douchebag to me. And that whole reality TV thing was the way that Tito was. He wasn't gonna forsake someone's career because of a vendetta which Ken kept doing. I would consider Ken more of one, actually talked to people that trained with Shamrock, and they say he is one of the biggest douche's in the world

[Jamoie]

Always goes to show we never know the real people behind the fame.

[Heavy D]

And I've heard the complete opposite from a friend of mine who trained with him. And then a guy I know grew up with Tito and said he's a complete douchebag. The point still remains that regardless of how he acts in private, its his public life we get to see, and the only one we're qualified to judge him on. And in his public life, he's a frigging douchebag that reinforces the misconception that MMA is human cockfighting between a bunch of barroom badasses. It's the "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" image that the UFC is trying to shake to gain some widespread acceptance. Amd when one of your biggest stars does nothing but talk shit and disrespect everybody, it doesn't exactly help.

[Purist]

And I've heard the complete opposite from a friend of mine who trained with him. And then a guy I know grew up with Tito and said he's a complete douchebag. The point still remains that regardless of how he acts in private, its his public life we get to see, and the only one we're qualified to judge him on. And in his public life, he's a frigging douchebag that reinforces the misconception that MMA is human cockfighting between a bunch of barroom badasses. It's the "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" image that the UFC is trying to shake to gain some widespread acceptance. Amd when one of your biggest stars does nothing but talk shit and disrespect everybody, it doesn't exactly help.

I agree a little. But Ortiz wins and he puts the butts in the seats too whether to see him win or lose and that gets mainstream no matter what. So that helps the UFC too. If there were no characters then what? But Tito can back it up so its exciting.

[El Kabong]

....Chuck Norris would whip his ass

[Heavy D]

Tito definately puts butts in the seat, but I think he's a victim of the law of diminishing returns here. I think the UFC is going to reach a stalemate pretty soon with its growth. People who want the blood and the drama are already watching. People who love sports (e.g. boxing fans) are looking at this sport and saying what I said above (blood sport, cockfighting, yada yada). What these people would prefer to see (in my opinion) are class acts like Couture who exemplify good sportsmanship and are athletes to be looked up to, not "thugs" like Tito. Actually, as much as I hate to say it, more guys like Hughes might be better for the UFC. You can either see him as an exemplary athlete in some instances, or a shit-talking thug in others :P

[Heavy D]

If you're gonna go that route Lyle...

Chuck Norris is actually starting his own "MMA" league that I bet you'd love. It has no ring (like a real wrestling style ring) and the rules prohibit clinching and takedowns/groundgame. Basically, it's what Final Fu SHOULD have been....full contact balls out striking

Website here:

http://www.worldcombatleague.com/

Chuck Norris even talks to you!

[El Kabong]

....I watched Ultimate Fighter and now all I want to do is see people beat the fuck out of Tito Ortiz.


Oooooh all out striking eh, I might like that

[Von Milash]

sounds like K1 without a ring.

Admirable of Chuck to try, but it'll go nowhere.

[Heavy D]

You underestimate the power of the Chuck Side...


But yeah...I doubt it'll go anywhere either, but more because nobody hears about it. I think its actually the kind of thing that would appeal to more people than the UFC, simply because its seen as karate, not as human cockfighting. From some of the highlights I saw, it actually seems pretty cool. Its basically k1, but flashier because everyone there is from more of a traditional martial arts background, rather than a boxing, kickboxing or MT background.

[Von Milash]

yeah, might be interesting. but you're right that nobody hears about it. apparently they're in playoffs...what the

my big beef with it is the team concept. I don't like that at all. For some reason it adds to the cheesiness factor.

[Heavy D]

Definately agreed....same with the IFL. But I guess that's supposed to be their gimmick and take away from the whole barroom brawling thing. Seems a lot less like two guys trying to kill each other when they're on teams.