Herring v Oquendo ESPN+

[Spicoli]

Ok so third time is the charm in this twice cancelled fight. Card on but not sure what's up but everything is slooooow with this stream running. When I shut it down all is fine but defeats the purpose. Arum fix your stuff . Glad Jamal is getting his main event finally. They really have to get rid of this pre recorded audience ambiance and sound effects they're using. Gonna see if this runs smooth

[powerpuncher]

I wonder if this will be like Ramirez last week. So many cancellations that it burns you out.

[Spicoli]

Literally running slower than old school dial up here. Either the site is bogged down ? or this app is. Almost looked like a flash kd on Herring in 1st but no replay. Oquendo is rugged sloppy in there.

[Spicoli]

Herring scores KD in 3rd. Big headbutt leaves cut on Herring in 5th ref calls intentional but no points? Herring in control. Oquendo choppy sloppy Herring possibly making it harder than need but ref gave him a door 'if you can't see than fight over' and Herring carried on with it now in 6th.

[Spicoli]

Oquendo makes Angulo look refined and smooth. For a smaller dude he's sapping some of Herrings zest. Not winning at all but the physicality. Lot's of talk about Herring v Frampton and sharp punching wise I gotta lean Frampton. Herring hits Oquendo square in the balls and both get some time..

[Spicoli]

Fight stopped in corner of Herring claiming he cannot see. That was an odd set of circumstances, ref and Dr way over politicking this call. If a Doctor rules a fighter cannot see..it's the Doctor who makes the call. This scenario smells bad...now they're ruling it was the intentional headbutt that gets him DQ'd

You dq at point of infraction, not some result of . Haven't seen this before off the top of my head

[Spicoli]

I'm confused. And to think Weeks didn't even take a point at foul rounds ago. Leaves much room for a guy to work and manipulate a non call.

[Spicoli]

Goes in the book a Herring winner via DQ. In a fight where no points were ever docked. This is why following boxing makes a guy drink

[powerpuncher]

This was such a strange ending. I don’t really like the call. The reason is because it allowed Herring a way out whenever he wanted it. Basically Oquendo did an intentional head butt but they didn’t stop the fight there. Herring started wearing down a few rounds later and then claimed he couldn’t see.

Basically it was a no win situation after the head butt. Let’s say that Oquendo was about to stop Herring and then Herring said he couldn’t see. The fight would just be stopped and Herring would win by a DQ? There needs to be a better way.

[powerpuncher]

Goes in the book a Herring winner via DQ. In a fight where no points were ever docked. This is why following boxing makes a guy drink

There was a point deduction for the head butt

[Spicoli]

Goes in the book a Herring winner via DQ. In a fight where no points were ever docked. This is why following boxing makes a guy drink

There was a point deduction for the head butt

Was there the my mistake missed that, real screwy ending. Taking a point is penalizing the infraction. Like tagging a guy with a get out of jail free card to again use it later should things start going against him.

[Master]

How many more in-ring tragedies will we have to endure before those in the boxing business come to their senses? The latest example of the too-macho nonsense that pervades this sport is the reaction to Jamel Herring’s disqualification victory over Jonathan Oquendo.

Herring’s bout with Oquendo at the MGM Grand Conference Center was twice postponed when the Marine tested positive for COVID-19. On Saturday, Herring won every round, but he suffered a nasty cut over the right eye that eventually ended the fight.

Oquendo repeatedly used his head and a fifth-round head butt was deemed intentional by referee Tony Weeks. When Herring said he couldn’t see in the eighth round because of the cuts, it was ruled a disqualification.

That led to criticism of Herring by ESPN analysts Tim Bradley and Andre Ward, both former world champion fighters and two of the best at what they do.

Their criticism led to a slew of it for Herring online, who deserved none of it.

He suffered a scratched retina and had his cuts glued, not stitched. Clearly, his vision was compromised.

He certainly didn’t fight his best fight and no one would suggest he deserves to be on the various pound-for-pound lists, but to question Herring’s courage is outrageous and to forget so many tragedies that came before.

Bradley was a ringside analyst for ESPN on the Maxim Dadashev-Subriel Matis fight on July 19, 2019, in which Dadashev died of injuries suffered in the ring. Bradley was correctly distraught and on a later SportsCenter appearance could barely contain his emotions.

“He wanted to bring his family here [to the U.S.] and getting his green card was very important to him, to bring his family from Russia to California” Bradley said of Dadashev on SportsCenter on July 23, 2019. “That was the reason why he said he was fighting and the reason why he needed to win a world championship to have that status to be able to get his green card.

“Now, it’s all gone. He had little kids. He has a wife. He has a family. You think about these things and sometimes we as fighters we get in the ring and I have to tell you, we do think about that, of not returning home.”

Bradley was eloquent not only in that appearance, but others, as he talked about Dadashev’s death.

But he was critical of Herring on Saturday in a situation where the fighter said he couldn’t see. Who are we on the outside to question the courage of a man like Herring, who not only won a world title but enlisted in the Marines, served two deployments in Iraq and then became captain of the 2012 U.S. Olympic boxing team.



It’s fair to question Herring’s talent, and to suggest he won’t be able to defeat Carl Frampton, his likely next opponent.

It’s totally unfair, though, to question his motives and essentially accuse him of quitting as so many have done.

We can’t be so numb to the fighter deaths in the ring that we forget them that easily, can we?

Herring’s fight with Frampton has long been in the works, delayed because of the pandemic and Herring’s two positive tests. Now, because of his eye injury, it may be delayed again.

There were numerous reports that the WBO was going to order Herring to face mandatory challenger Shakur Stevenson by January, which would essentially kill a Herring-Frampton fight.

WBO president Francisco “Paco” Valcarcel took to Twitter to deny that, though.

The WBO is right to allow Herring to fight Frampton before he has to get to Stevenson, especially since Stevenson hasn’t been waiting long. He vacated his featherweight title in June to move up to super featherweight, and there is plenty of time after Herring-Frampton for him to face the winner.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/making-t...164601635.html

[powerpuncher]

That’s a little extreme comparing to Herring stopping the fight to those who have died. Herring was winning the fight but was starting to get bothered by the cut as well as the pressure from his opponent. I believe he quit (although still won) because the fight was more of a means to an end. If he beats Frampton, then this mess is forgotten.

Although I’ve never thought that Herring was that good. I think Frampton beats him.