Crawford vs Brook..14th Nov

[imp]

How about a catch weight fight with Lopez so he doesn’t have to fight Spence.

After the Lomachenko loss, Crawford is supposedly the P4P No.1...what has he done for us lately?

[imp]

This is ridiculous..

Crawford needs to sort this £&@ out!

[SlimTrae]

I'd like to think it is politics of boxing causing this fight, but no way to be sure. Seems every 1/2 decade a certain promoter holds the cards via the stable.

Just a side question- Had Tim Bradly NOT signed with Arum, would he have gotten that fight with Pac? Was it the fight we wanted to see? As much as I like his boxing ability I still can't figure out how he ended up getting a trilogy. 2nd fight was definitive. My bad, back to topic!!! Hope Bud wants the top & having trouble getting them as opposed to being the problem himself.

[smashup]

Brook had so much potential but fucked himself with his partying, coke snorting and closet homosexuality problems which ended in him nearly having his leg cut off with a machette.
When you look back his only name win was an extremely dubious points win over Porter.
Then he went on a run of shit opponents like Jo Jo Dan before getting battered by GGG and then quitting against Spence.
One look at his fight resume proves he won't be remembered at all In years to come.

Over hyped or serious under achiever?

Crawford will school, batter then retire him.

[Memphis]

Promise unfulfilled. Better than Naz and all that. On his day when he was strong and not fucking about with weight Brook was an elite level fighter, World class whatever you want to call it. But his career has been punctuated by things outside the ring and poor decisions in it. Beating Porter was a great result and save for Mayweather (I think) Brook would have given any of the other champions around that time a decent argument. Thurman, Bradley?

Then just as he's about to be in the mix with those lot he goes and gets his leg chopped off. The donut Dan, Gavin and the other one come back fights. Then Golovkin. Im sure the thinking was that win lose or draw he comes out of the GGG fight with nothing but praise. Which he did. He also came out of it with a smashed in face. Next fight! Errol Spence. He did well against Spence early doors, it was a top quality fight. But then the other side of his face gets smashed in. In some way shape or form what happened in the Golovkin fight, had an affect in the Spence fight. I don't know if it was physical, mental or both. But the GGG fight came back to haunt him.

Now! Bud fucking Crawford. No promotor, no trainer (not the usual one anyway) Unless Brook is trying to set some sort of record for toughest set of fights to win a World title under the worst of circumstances then you have to wonder if he's not just a bit fucking mental.

I hope he does well. I hope he makes Crawford work for it. I just think Crawford will do what he wants when he wants. GGG and Spence beat the fight out of Brook. He's getting by on muscle memory now.

[imp]

Brook had so much potential but fucked himself with his partying, coke snorting and closet homosexuality problems which ended in him nearly having his leg cut off with a machette.
When you look back his only name win was an extremely dubious points win over Porter.
Then he went on a run of shit opponents like Jo Jo Dan before getting battered by GGG and then quitting against Spence.
One look at his fight resume proves he won't be remembered at all In years to come.

Over hyped or serious under achiever?

Crawford will school, batter then retire him.

I’m surprised he got the decision with Porter.

Kell Brook is solid but he’s no special K.

[Jambo]

Brook had so much potential but fucked himself with his partying, coke snorting and closet homosexuality problems which ended in him nearly having his leg cut off with a machette.
When you look back his only name win was an extremely dubious points win over Porter.
Then he went on a run of shit opponents like Jo Jo Dan before getting battered by GGG and then quitting against Spence.
One look at his fight resume proves he won't be remembered at all In years to come.

Over hyped or serious under achiever?

Crawford will school, batter then retire him.

I’m surprised he got the decision with Porter.

Kell Brook is solid but he’s no special K.

From what I remember, Porter was seen as some sort of scary baby bull after what he’d done to Alexander.
And everybody thought Brook was going over to sell his title.
But Brook dealt with Porter pretty handily. I thought he totally deserved it and exposed Porter.

[Master]

Brook had so much potential but fucked himself with his partying, coke snorting and closet homosexuality problems which ended in him nearly having his leg cut off with a machette.
When you look back his only name win was an extremely dubious points win over Porter.
Then he went on a run of shit opponents like Jo Jo Dan before getting battered by GGG and then quitting against Spence.
One look at his fight resume proves he won't be remembered at all In years to come.

Over hyped or serious under achiever?

Crawford will school, batter then retire him.

I’m surprised he got the decision with Porter.

Kell Brook is solid but he’s no special K.

From what I remember, Porter was seen as some sort of scary baby bull after what he’d done to Alexander.
And everybody thought Brook was going over to sell his title.
But Brook dealt with Porter pretty handily. I thought he totally deserved it and exposed Porter.

Brook boxed beautifully against Porter and deserved the decision. Porter is just rugged, spoiler and too crude against the top boxers.

[Master]

Terence Crawford vs Kell Brook

Kell Brook is gearing up for his Las Vegas showdown with WBO welterweight champion Terence Crawford.

The Brit has claimed three wins to rebuild his career following back-to-back defeats to Gennady Golovkin and Errol Spence Jr.

Now he’s set for another tough test against Crawford, a 36 and 0 unbeaten champ who is widely regarded as one of the best pound-for-pound fighters around.

There are suggestions that Brook has taken this fight to secure one last pay day before hanging up his gloves.

But the Sheffield fighter is eager to prove his critics wrong and claim a welterweight world title for the first time since 2016.

Crawford beat Egidijus Kavaliauskas last time out and took out Amir Khan in April, 2019.

The 12-round welterweight clash will take place on Saturday, November 14 and is being held behind-closed-doors at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

As it’s taking place in the USA, UK fans will face a late night/early morning for this one.

The main event ring walks should get under way from around 5am on Sunday, November 15 but that will depend on the undercard results.

‘Monster’ Brook insists he can beat Crawford and is not just in Las Vegas for one last pay day.

He said: “I’ve got to applaud Terence Crawford for taking this fight, because he is in there with a monster with self-belief.

“He is one hell of a fighter but a smaller man naturally to me. I’m a dangerous man, a big welterweight and a force to be reckoned with.

“Everybody has been writing me off. I’m going against everyone. This fight is for me. Nobody else bar me.”

Brook is not working with regular trainer Dominic Ingle due to the COVID-19 lockdown and is with Carlos Formento.

He added: “He’s a guy I followed on Instagram because I like his style.

“I had never worked with him previously because Dominic is my trainer number one. I messaged him on Instagram and basically said ‘let’s work together’.

“The first day, I knew that we gelled unbelievably. He is basically obsessed. He is passionate. And that’s everything I need in this fight.”

Crawford vs Brook: Tale of the Tape
Terence Crawford vs Kell Brook

Nationality: American – British

Age: 33 – 34

Height: 5ft 8 – 5ft 9

Stance: Southpaw – Orthodox

Reach: 74in – 69in

Record: 36-0-0 – 39-2-0

KOs: 27 – 27

Rounds: 204 – 216

Debut: 14/3/2008 – 17/9/2004

Nickname: Bud – Special K

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/7...ring-walks-tv/

[powerpuncher]

Crawford claims that after the Pacquiao fight fell through that he was pushing for, he said he didn’t want Brook and called for Thurman, but Thurman asked for $10 million. I remember hearing about Thurman demanding that much a while ago so I have a feeling that it’s probably true.

Like I have said before, I don’t think that he is ducking anybody. He is just stuck with ESPN now and they don’t have the welters to give him good fights. I know that it’s partly on Bud for signing the contract, but I can’t really blame him for getting that guaranteed money. He is asking for fights. He just can’t get them.

Arum did recently say that he will fight either Pacquiao or Spence in 2021. I hope he can fight both.

[Master]

Pacquiao is independent and left Arum so may not be him.

Who is Spence with PBC?

[Master]

Kell Brook has titanium plates in both cheeks, he nearly lost a leg in a machete attack, he won the British title in 2008 and this Saturday he fights Terence Crawford, arguably the best boxer in the world, inside a bubble at the MGM in Las Vegas. And, he was paid less than 300 quid for his debut back in 2004.

Ezekiel Brook is part of the British boxing furniture, a long and seasoned survivor in the dirty old game.

The machete attack in 2014 remains a bloody and violent mystery, an end to a dark night best forgotten, but the titanium plates are the end result of two savage fights in the ring, nights when Brook dared to be great. He has fought 41 times, lost just the twice, won a world title against the odds in America – a fight that is oddly and unfairly neglected when people talk about great wins by British boxers - and he is still only 34.

“I have never done things the easy way and never had things easy,” said Brook, who is in Las Vegas now, due to enter the final days of bubble life before the Crawford fight on Saturday. Crawford is unbeaten in 36 fights, a champion at three weights, cold and calculating in the ring; he was also a victim of street violence and was shot in the neck at the end of a 3am gambling session. The pair can compare scars during the boring hours of forced isolation in one of the MGM's satellite outposts.

In many ways Brook has gone rogue for Saturday's fight, left the comfort of Eddie Hearn's patronage, split from his life-long trainer Dominic Ingle, left the familiarity of Sky's favourable coverage and negotiated the fight on his own. Well, on his own with a couple of behind-the-scenes fight fixers, men available at a good price to join up all the dots. The move has caused a bit of rancour, but at this point in his career it is surely not a shock; Brook does not owe anybody, they have all had years and years of making money together. Brook has probably been in 20 main attractions on television, a dozen title fights of some description, pay-per-view events and massive fights. Make no mistake, Kell delivered for British boxing and Hearn, as the main promoter, certainly did his bit.

“This fight has come at the perfect time for me,” insists Brook. “It's the easiest that I have ever made the weight and you know how many years I have been fighting the scales – this time, I'm there, I'm ready and there will not be any drain to make the welterweight limit.” Crawford had told Brook in February, when they met at a fight in Las Vegas, that if he could make the weight, then he could have the fight.

Brook has not been inside the welterweight poundage since losing to Errol Spence, still an unbeaten world champion, in May of 2017. He damaged his left eye socket in that fight and was stopped in the eleventh; the fight was cruelly slipping away as the pain from the damage intensified. It was close until the tenth and then it was hard to watch, hard not to feel sickened for Brook as his face started to swell and he yelped as Spence's punches landed. That was crazy bravery.



Amazingly, in the fight before Spence, there was another painful loss when, having gained 13 pounds, he challenged middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin in front of 20,000 people at the O2; he was stopped in round five, his right eye socket smashed on that occasion. Two bad injuries, two serious surgical procedures, two defeats, two titanium plates and there was realistic talk of Kell Brook's fighting days being over.

Brook refused to go quietly and has won three since the Spence loss, his face fixed, his desire back and the weight gone. “Everybody thinks that this is a retirement fight for me and that I'm taking it for just the money. That is wrong, I can win this, I know I can. Crawford has never met a big, strong, dangerous welterweight,” added Brook. The payday is meant to be $2million and Crawford will, trust me, make Brook earn every single cent.

Crawford is just a year younger than Brook, he first won the lightweight world title in 2014, added the light-welterweight version the following year and completed his move through the weights in 2018 when he won the WBO welterweight title. Brook will be his fourth defence, his 14th consecutive world title fight. Last April in New York, Crawford overwhelmed Amir Khan in six rounds at Madison Square Garden. Khan seemed shocked and I have noticed that with a lot of Crawford's victims; he is bigger, stronger, faster and hits harder than people imagine. Four of his last five opponents, all stopped, had previously never lost. He persuades people the old-fashioned way – he hits them on the chin to make converts.

In the summer of 2014 Brook had to travel to California to fight the IBF welterweight champion, Shawn Porter, who was unbeaten in 25 fights. Brook had been a professional boxer for a decade, had won the British title six years earlier and was the underdog that night against Porter. Brook is right, he has never had a simple path, never had it easy and that will not change on Saturday night. Las Vegas is a city of miracles, of mirages and Brook will need all the magic he can find. It is also a city without a soul.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/kel...093734795.html

[X]

Brook was such a good fighter a few years ago. He was the most avoided guy in the division for years before he got his title shot.

Big, tough, heavy handed and that awkward Wincobank style. Good engine, and brave to boot. He would have given Crawford loads of problems a little while ago.

But that was then and this is now.

With hindsight, the decision to jump two weight divisions and get in the ring with the most feared destroyer in the sport, Gennady Golovkin, was crazy.

GGG walked through him, and gave him such a pounding he was never the same fighter again.

I expect a cagey opening, with Brook having some success against Crawford. His inactivity, the years of wars and his weight difficulties will catch up with him at the mid point. He will start to take another beating before the ref rescues him around the 8th.

[Master]

No one will ever know the answer to this, but would Kell have made more money and be more successful if he never fought Triple G and continued defending his Welterweight title?

Kell may have eventually lost his title to Spence anyway but the fight was even until the later rounds and Brooks was winning the fight early. The damage caused by Triple G and first loss would have been a factor in this 2nd loss.

Kell would have made at least 1 defence which were normally against relatively poor opposition and probably poor money.

I do not think Kell would have ever beaten Spence, even if he never fought Golovkin, but may have lost by decision instead.

So in conclusion I do not think he would have made as much money defending his titles than he did against Golovkin and he would have lost to Spence anyway. He would have only made 1 extra successful defence.