Quote Originally Posted by Preme
Quote Originally Posted by wacko3205

Alright people...this is getting ree-gotdam-dick-ulous.

Don't start trying to take apart Hopkins record & the people that he defeated & saying Joe fought anyone close to being what Hopkins did...that is indeed silly.

Being a fan of both...I got no issues stating the facts...Joe's opposition is much lower than Bernard's.

Come on people...keep biases aside & let's be real.
wack u know i love and respect your opinion, but seriously i don't agree with that, hopkins may have 'bigger names' but for the weight devision their at neither fighter has fought anyone that stands out whos better than the other has fought...

if u dissagree, plz compare them..

now like u im abig fan of both fighters, really i loved hopkins as a fighter, but for people to constantly go on about calzaghe for having 'no one' on his record takes the piss, everythign he does and everyone he beats

the next possible calzaghe fights (saying he wins..)

Kessler - kessler becomes overrated...

winky right.. winky wasn't a SMW...

JT, overrated slightly or didn't have enough time to grow into SMW..

Clinton woods .. who gives a fk...

RJJ.. to old

Hopkins.. to old...


Now take hopkins..

De la hoya, Tito, neither was a MW, where was the calzaghe fight, where was the step up for the RJJ rematch, the James tony fight? but hopkins is regarded as this total legend! why??

after the tito fight he fought 4 nobodys, a brilliant WW and LMW de la hoya, was very unimpressive against a hoard i can't put more than 2 punches together easterman, then 2 losses (how ever conreversial) with Taylor

thing is, i can see and respect the talent hopkins had, can take into consideration things like how he wanted to prelong his career with his age without going to war - but when calzaghe is ever brought up on this board u get the same idiots everytime make stupid remarks about how "he wont travel" when hes gone out to germany and demark to fight, made it very clear he would go to the us to fight a top fighter, question of his lack of 'top fighters' whe hes beaten everyone put in front of him, called out constantly RJJ and hopkins, the ONLY fighter he didn't fight and 'could' of is glen johnson was through 'injury' i put that in ' ' coz its anyones right o question weather he used the injury as a way to duck him...

i know it may sound like i was taking a pop at hopkins, but im trying to just show how both fighters have very simular records and quality in opposition, yet one is regarded as a legend, while the other is picked apart and considerd a paper champion, and for this to constantly happen on a message board where people use the term 'general boxing fan' so often on here refering to people not ont his board, is a freaking joke IMO
Alright...this is probably not a good time...because I Just came in from a Halloween party & am wasted...but I shall start here & finish later. Again...I will do me best...but I am a bit snockered.

Comparing opposition & then abilities...first abilities.

Hopkins: Surpeme jab & defense & one of the most amazingly crafty approaches of the game...no shit.

Calzaghe: Decent jab, weak defense, very good at coming in & dismantling a fighter head on & straight up...no craftiness...basiclly...overpowering game plan.

Opposition:

Hopkins: Lost his very first pro fight at 175. Clearly not his weight class.

Began to move towards a dominating class of 160. Out of his first 22 or 23 opponents he knocked out 17 of them prior to the 4th round, 12 in the first round, before losing a UD to the great RJJ. He would then go on to dominate his division & some of the better fighters of 160lbs & some of the super stars of 154 on the rise such as Trinidad & Oscar. As far as note worthy names @ 160 that most poster criticize but have little knowledge of Joppy, Lipsey, Frank, Vanderpool, Johnson, Jackson, Echols, & Eastman. He would then go on to controversially lose to Taylor twice & then come in to redemption by totally shutting out Antonio Tarver @ 175lbs.

Hopkins is undeniabley a throwback & a true craftsman. No one can compare...& it's bad for me to say such...comes off as very biased...but the trutrh is the truth.

Calzaghe: Joe's record seems astounding on paper...he's 41 & O against...well...that's the thing...against whom? From 1993 to 2006 Joe has been undefeated with 31 knockouts.
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Of note...on record...the most recognizeable wins are against Viet, Sheika, Eubanks, Mkrtchian, & Lacy. That aint a whole mess of talent folks.

Other than defneding his titles for 19 shots...Joe doesn't hold much of a candle to the Nard.

Anyone can sit down &compare records between the two...but Hops is the most accomplished.

Sorry...but he is.

When I am a bit more soberized...I will elaborate. I'm too drunk for dis shit!