Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
Why would the hate extend downballot? Why would Republican voters who couldn't stand Trump not vote for state and local GOP candidates but not Trump? This isn't a new phenomenon Lyle, ticket splitting has existed for as long as there have been two parties contesting elections. It happened to Trump in 2016 as well when he underperformed state and local GOP candidates in the 2016 election.

The alternative would be that Democrats managed to infiltrate every single congressional district in the country and add millions of fraudulent ballots even in deep red districts and states that would never vote Democratic to add millions of fraudulent votes for Biden, and do this completely undetected all under the noses of tens of thousands of GOP election officials and monitors and the national DHS department dedicated to making the election secure. But the millions of fraudulent ballots only helped Biden, not any other Democratic candidates. The fraudsters didn't want Democratic control of the Senate to allow Biden to get anything done and cast millions of fraudulent votes for Republican state and local candidates. You understand that all these votes are on the same ballot? Do you know how ballots work?

There are no definitive numbers about election demographics yet. Every election a load of bullshit is written based on exit polls that always turn out to be miles off. Trump probably gained a couple of points with Black and Hispanic voters but this was down to the economy continuing to improve over the past few years, nothing to do with anything Trump did. If a recession had hit when Trump took office he'd have lost a few points with minority voters.

Trump increasing his popular vote total is due to him turning out previously nonvoting voters who liked his racist white nationalist message. People who appreciated a man who "says what he thinks" and "doesn't talk like a regular politician" and all the other euphemisms people use. But Trump also disgusted liberals and moderate voters in a way more moderate GOP candidates don't which led to a wave of anti-Trump voting. Appealing to his scumbag white base drove up his numbers to levels never seen before and he really did turn out millions of new voters but the man and his rhetoric and his actions disgusted an even bigger number on the other side. Biden won despite being a poor candidate with no real message at all. He won because he wasn't Donald Trump.

Here's some reading for you.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-visual-guide


https://www.npr.org/transcripts/9342...=1607480020487
Because typically Kirk....in the vast majority of elections in America when a Presidential candidate is not liked and their platform isn't liked they make it HARDER for others in their party to win elections and they don't typically increase their advantage in bell weather states in the process.


Shot: "There are no definitive numbers about election demographics yet." Chaser: "Trump increasing his popular vote total is due to him turning out previously nonvoting voters who liked his racist white nationalist message."....what exactly is the "white nationalist message" Trump espouses? Please do tell me Kirkland.


The Guardian? NPR? Why not send me a link to The Jacobin? Or your FAVORITE Mother Jones...why not send me those? They're just as reputable as the Guardian and NPR.
Yes Lyle, don't read anything factual, just keep on parroting the most easily disprovable moronic garbage that you saw on youtube.

Once again, ticket splitting happens in every election to a greater or lesser degree. In both 2016 and 2020 millions of Republican voters couldn't stomach voting for Trump but voted for downballot GOP candidates. In both elections Trump underperformed the GOP candidates nationwide. He also lost vote share in 2020 compared to how he did in 2016 in 48 states, from deep red states to deep blue states, from sea to shining sea:

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/statu...89302797635586

Keep scrolling.



And there are no reliable demographic numbers yet. There won't be for some time. But for an incumbent who was given credit by voters for the good economy* Trump should have done better with minority groups than he actually did. He did worse than George W Bush did with Hispanics and Blacks from first election to second election, we just don't know how badly yet.

The millions of new voters he turned out we know about from voter registration analysis were blue collar white people. The Trump campaign spent four years and hundreds of millions of dollars recruiting new voters while Trump spent four years doubling down on his minging racist white nationalist message.

*And of course Trump took office at the end of an economic expansion, so this is a rates versus levels situation. Job growth slowed under Trump, there were nearly two million less jobs created under the first three years of Trump versus the last three years of Obama. Economic growth was 0.1% higher per year under the first three years of Trump versus the eight years of Obama but Trump took office in the middle of an economic expansion while Obama took office at the start of a gigantic recession caused by the 2008 economic meltdown. And if you allow for the increased government spending and tax cut stimuluses under Trump economic growth was actually significantly slower in Trump's first three years versus Obama's eight years.

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/stat...07887040368640

Keep scrolling with that one.