Today In Biden Land

[Beanz]

The first thing the video makes clear is just what a load of bollocks your suggestion that YouTube was censoring stuff was. This Brendon Fallon Wide Angle thing was uploaded to YouTube on December 12.

The second thing it proves is that my suggestion ( years ago now) that Trump would try and use the military, martial law, in fact anything at his disposal to enforce his illegal dictatorial anti-democratic traitorous destruction of America was

not even slightly far fetched.

It was bang on the mark.

I am not surprised that El Kabong would support it. Just like i said, he has admitted he would not think twice about shooting anyone to make sure Trump stays in control. That is the kind of cultish hold Trump has over people.

I would be pretty dismayed and saddened if you were still supporting in Trump somebody who should at the very least be in prison by now.

The other odd thing is how 'New World Order' and 'Deep State' all these guys that you and El Kabong follow and march to are, and yet you cannot, or simply refuse to see it.

They are like inhuman robots or infantile and stroppy teenagers.

I really do not understand why anyone at this point would think Trump needs defending or someone playing Devil's advocate for him.

Just like Farrage and Johnson etc they are intent on breaking up unions and smashing countries from within.

Disaster Capitalists who wish to profit from not just the death of citizens but the Break up of the UK (into separate countries) and the break up of the United States.

That has been their plan since day one.

First off, thankx for replying in that manner. On the points you made, as you saw on the video, the 3 options are all constitutionally legal beagle. Quite how that is being classified by you as smashing countries from within or breaking up unions or profiting from the death of citizens, let alone inhuman robots, is well beyond inapplicable, simply because all 3 options Trump has are 100% legal beagle.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. For the traitor appears not a traitor – He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city – he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.” - Taylor Caldwell (paraphrasing Cicero)

[El Kabong]

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. For the traitor appears not a traitor – He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city – he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.” - Taylor Caldwell (paraphrasing Cicero)

It all boils down to who you believe has been bought off. Yourself, Tito, Spicoli, Master, Kirkland, Slim, et al believe Trump has been bought & paid for. Whereas I (and perhaps a few others) believe the bought politicians are of the establishment class, I believe on both sides Democrat & Republican.

Russian collusion was thoroughly investigated and found not a whiff of wrongdoing.

Meanwhile Hunter Biden's very existence is merely scratching the surface of a deep dark corrupt ROT at the very heart of Global politics. And I would figure you MIGHT be interested in it seeing how it involves not only other nations (specifically those interested in 1 World Government) but the very largest corporations some of whom utilize slave labor to this very day.

But to each their own. Not like the Chinese have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar....Fang Fang anyone? Swalwell? Feinstein? Naaaah denial and calling it a "conspiracy theory" is far too easy.


What policies has Trump used to Russia's advantage vs what he's done to help Americans? What policies have our previous & current establishment politicians used to help Russia or China or whomever OTHER than The United States...NAFTA? TPP? Endless wars? Iran Nuclear Deal? Paris Climate Accords? Those don't help Americans at all.

[TitoFan]

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. For the traitor appears not a traitor – He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city – he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.” - Taylor Caldwell (paraphrasing Cicero)

It all boils down to who you believe has been bought off. Yourself, Tito, Spicoli, Master, Kirkland, Slim, et al believe Trump has been bought & paid for. Whereas I (and perhaps a few others) believe the bought politicians are of the establishment class, I believe on both sides Democrat & Republican.

Russian collusion was thoroughly investigated and found not a whiff of wrongdoing.

Meanwhile Hunter Biden's very existence is merely scratching the surface of a deep dark corrupt ROT at the very heart of Global politics. And I would figure you MIGHT be interested in it seeing how it involves not only other nations (specifically those interested in 1 World Government) but the very largest corporations some of whom utilize slave labor to this very day.

But to each their own. Not like the Chinese have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar....Fang Fang anyone? Swalwell? Feinstein? Naaaah denial and calling it a "conspiracy theory" is far too easy.


What policies has Trump used to Russia's advantage vs what he's done to help Americans? What policies have our previous & current establishment politicians used to help Russia or China or whomever OTHER than The United States...NAFTA? TPP? Endless wars? Iran Nuclear Deal? Paris Climate Accords? Those don't help Americans at all.

Fair enough post, Kabong. But let me correct some assumptions from my own personal perspective. As you know, I'm not a fan of grouping people with presumed beliefs. I know YOU don't normally do that, for which I'm thankful. (We see enough of that elsewhere in the forum. )

I do NOT push the agenda that Trump has been "bought and paid for." No organization in their right minds would put their money on a character such as Trump.

The only group (other than flip-flopping, disgusting GOP leaders like Graham and Cruz) that I raise an eyebrow at... are the white, evangelical Christians, some of which I've had heated arguments with... because I can't fathom their support for someone like Trump.

I abhor Trump because of Trump. He jumped into a situation that was primed for someone like him. Like the slick snake-oil salesman he is, he parlayed his Celebrity Apprentice fame into a Presidency... voted in by people who were desperate to elect someone other than a "same ol' same ol' politician." It didn't help matters any that the candidate on the other side of the boxing ring was none other than Hillary Clinton. Perfect storm of circumstances.

The fact that you believe there are bought politicians on both sides of the aisle is commendable. That very statement should not be ignored. I've always felt the same way.

Hunter Biden? If it is proven that he's guilty of breaking the law in any way... he should be processed by the law just like anybody else. Do I feel we should automatically wrap Joe Biden in with his son whether he's guilty of something or not? Of course not. Due process for everyone... whether we like him or not. That's the way it works.

I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. I try to keep an even keel on what I hear and observe. That's why I've had contentious exchanges with some on here that push conspiracy theories like hot dogs at a ballpark. I'll read between the lines... but only for so long and only so far. I'm not going to try and dissect everything with an electron microscope because that (to me) is a sad way to go through life.

Again and for the umpteenth time..... I seriously dislike Trump because of Trump. Not what the media has said. Not what my neighbor says. Not what Facebook says. I seriously dislike Trump because of what Trump HIMSELF has said and done. I don't need talking heads on CNN to tell me what I myself have seen and heard with my own two eyes and ears. Trump, (IMHO), ticks off most of the undesirable character boxes a person should NOT have in order to be the leader of the most powerful country in the free world. That may not mean squat to some people..... but it means everything to me.

[El Kabong]

Fair enough post, Kabong. But let me correct some assumptions from my own personal perspective. As you know, I'm not a fan of grouping people with presumed beliefs. I know YOU don't normally do that, for which I'm thankful. (We see enough of that elsewhere in the forum. )

I do NOT push the agenda that Trump has been "bought and paid for." No organization in their right minds would put their money on a character such as Trump.

The only group (other than flip-flopping, disgusting GOP leaders like Graham and Cruz) that I raise an eyebrow at... are the white, evangelical Christians, some of which I've had heated arguments with... because I can't fathom their support for someone like Trump.

I abhor Trump because of Trump. He jumped into a situation that was primed for someone like him. Like the slick snake-oil salesman he is, he parlayed his Celebrity Apprentice fame into a Presidency... voted in by people who were desperate to elect someone other than a "same ol' same ol' politician." It didn't help matters any that the candidate on the other side of the boxing ring was none other than Hillary Clinton. Perfect storm of circumstances.

The fact that you believe there are bought politicians on both sides of the aisle is commendable. That very statement should not be ignored. I've always felt the same way.

Hunter Biden? If it is proven that he's guilty of breaking the law in any way... he should be processed by the law just like anybody else. Do I feel we should automatically wrap Joe Biden in with his son whether he's guilty of something or not? Of course not. Due process for everyone... whether we like him or not. That's the way it works.

I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. I try to keep an even keel on what I hear and observe. That's why I've had contentious exchanges with some on here that push conspiracy theories like hot dogs at a ballpark. I'll read between the lines... but only for so long and only so far. I'm not going to try and dissect everything with an electron microscope because that (to me) is a sad way to go through life.

Again and for the umpteenth time..... I seriously dislike Trump because of Trump. Not what the media has said. Not what my neighbor says. Not what Facebook says. I seriously dislike Trump because of what Trump HIMSELF has said and done. I don't need talking heads on CNN to tell me what I myself have seen and heard with my own two eyes and ears. Trump, (IMHO), ticks off most of the undesirable character boxes a person should NOT have in order to be the leader of the most powerful country in the free world. That may not mean squat to some people..... but it means everything to me.

Alright, and I appreciate you taking the opportunity to run through specific examples(if you will) of why you dislike Trump. Some people cite the Central Park 5 and what he said about them, some people cite some bogus bullshit pushed by a dishonest media, and sometimes Trump simply doesn't help himself with his brash old school New Yorker personality....I understand why certain people would find that off putting.

I'm not going to go on and on about Trump because this is the BIDEN thread and I want to make sure I make everyone happy and stay on topic.


There's no way Hunter Biden gets any of the jobs he has held in recent years without Daddy being who he is. And there's a reason why he's sought out for such positions and it ain't because he's super smart. Has he broken the law? Well just being able to float that question is a big issue, just being able to ask has been met (at the media level) with MASSIVE resistance which to me personally perks my ears up.

You don't have to be a "conspiracy theorist" just to take a second and question the premise of what is being rolled out as "news". Why did Twitter change their retweeting policy before the election and change it back AFTER the election? Seems odd and/or convenient. But maybe I've just got a naturally questioning attitude.

To your point on not liking Trump as a person....I get that, I understand it. I see that from more than a few people....getting people to divorce themselves from the emotions of not liking the guy and focusing on what he accomplished is difficult. It's why getting someone such as yourself to seriously question "Was the vote REALLY on the up and up?" is a very difficult thing. Big time proof will have to be provided and when it's difficult just to pose the question to/for the media then you know any and all evidence will immediately be trashed, they'll immediately run stories about how bogus it is...hard to believe since in the past these companies had serious questions about these very same voting machines.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Fair enough post, Kabong. But let me correct some assumptions from my own personal perspective. As you know, I'm not a fan of grouping people with presumed beliefs. I know YOU don't normally do that, for which I'm thankful. (We see enough of that elsewhere in the forum. )

I do NOT push the agenda that Trump has been "bought and paid for." No organization in their right minds would put their money on a character such as Trump.

The only group (other than flip-flopping, disgusting GOP leaders like Graham and Cruz) that I raise an eyebrow at... are the white, evangelical Christians, some of which I've had heated arguments with... because I can't fathom their support for someone like Trump.

I abhor Trump because of Trump. He jumped into a situation that was primed for someone like him. Like the slick snake-oil salesman he is, he parlayed his Celebrity Apprentice fame into a Presidency... voted in by people who were desperate to elect someone other than a "same ol' same ol' politician." It didn't help matters any that the candidate on the other side of the boxing ring was none other than Hillary Clinton. Perfect storm of circumstances.

The fact that you believe there are bought politicians on both sides of the aisle is commendable. That very statement should not be ignored. I've always felt the same way.

Hunter Biden? If it is proven that he's guilty of breaking the law in any way... he should be processed by the law just like anybody else. Do I feel we should automatically wrap Joe Biden in with his son whether he's guilty of something or not? Of course not. Due process for everyone... whether we like him or not. That's the way it works.

I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. I try to keep an even keel on what I hear and observe. That's why I've had contentious exchanges with some on here that push conspiracy theories like hot dogs at a ballpark. I'll read between the lines... but only for so long and only so far. I'm not going to try and dissect everything with an electron microscope because that (to me) is a sad way to go through life.

Again and for the umpteenth time..... I seriously dislike Trump because of Trump. Not what the media has said. Not what my neighbor says. Not what Facebook says. I seriously dislike Trump because of what Trump HIMSELF has said and done. I don't need talking heads on CNN to tell me what I myself have seen and heard with my own two eyes and ears. Trump, (IMHO), ticks off most of the undesirable character boxes a person should NOT have in order to be the leader of the most powerful country in the free world. That may not mean squat to some people..... but it means everything to me.

Alright, and I appreciate you taking the opportunity to run through specific examples(if you will) of why you dislike Trump. Some people cite the Central Park 5 and what he said about them, some people cite some bogus bullshit pushed by a dishonest media, and sometimes Trump simply doesn't help himself with his brash old school New Yorker personality....I understand why certain people would find that off putting.

I'm not going to go on and on about Trump because this is the BIDEN thread and I want to make sure I make everyone happy and stay on topic.


There's no way Hunter Biden gets any of the jobs he has held in recent years without Daddy being who he is. And there's a reason why he's sought out for such positions and it ain't because he's super smart. Has he broken the law? Well just being able to float that question is a big issue, just being able to ask has been met (at the media level) with MASSIVE resistance which to me personally perks my ears up.

You don't have to be a "conspiracy theorist" just to take a second and question the premise of what is being rolled out as "news". Why did Twitter change their retweeting policy before the election and change it back AFTER the election? Seems odd and/or convenient. But maybe I've just got a naturally questioning attitude.

To your point on not liking Trump as a person....I get that, I understand it. I see that from more than a few people....getting people to divorce themselves from the emotions of not liking the guy and focusing on what he accomplished is difficult. It's why getting someone such as yourself to seriously question "Was the vote REALLY on the up and up?" is a very difficult thing. Big time proof will have to be provided and when it's difficult just to pose the question to/for the media then you know any and all evidence will immediately be trashed, they'll immediately run stories about how bogus it is...hard to believe since in the past these companies had serious questions about these very same voting machines.

Not JUST those companies, but Democrat members of the House and Senate, among whom Amy Klobuchar, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Butter-judge, Ron Wyden, Patty Murray, and Richard Blumenthal ALL made impassioned speeches several times each since 2016 about how Dominion Voting machines were highly-suspect and easily hackable, and how some of their servers were overseas, and how we can't let these machines create a fraudulent vote tabulation but hey, WTF. spend 4 and a half years yelling Russia Russia Russia Collusion, illegitimate Trump, Russian-assisted Prez, etc, 4 and a half years...... but now HEY, THE MERE IDEA OF A FRAUDULENT ELECTION MEANS PEOPLE ARE NUTS. Go figure.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Someone mentioned due process for all, even for those we don't like. Good. A Ray of Sunlight. Baby steps.

[TitoFan]

Fair enough post, Kabong. But let me correct some assumptions from my own personal perspective. As you know, I'm not a fan of grouping people with presumed beliefs. I know YOU don't normally do that, for which I'm thankful. (We see enough of that elsewhere in the forum. )

I do NOT push the agenda that Trump has been "bought and paid for." No organization in their right minds would put their money on a character such as Trump.

The only group (other than flip-flopping, disgusting GOP leaders like Graham and Cruz) that I raise an eyebrow at... are the white, evangelical Christians, some of which I've had heated arguments with... because I can't fathom their support for someone like Trump.

I abhor Trump because of Trump. He jumped into a situation that was primed for someone like him. Like the slick snake-oil salesman he is, he parlayed his Celebrity Apprentice fame into a Presidency... voted in by people who were desperate to elect someone other than a "same ol' same ol' politician." It didn't help matters any that the candidate on the other side of the boxing ring was none other than Hillary Clinton. Perfect storm of circumstances.

The fact that you believe there are bought politicians on both sides of the aisle is commendable. That very statement should not be ignored. I've always felt the same way.

Hunter Biden? If it is proven that he's guilty of breaking the law in any way... he should be processed by the law just like anybody else. Do I feel we should automatically wrap Joe Biden in with his son whether he's guilty of something or not? Of course not. Due process for everyone... whether we like him or not. That's the way it works.

I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. I try to keep an even keel on what I hear and observe. That's why I've had contentious exchanges with some on here that push conspiracy theories like hot dogs at a ballpark. I'll read between the lines... but only for so long and only so far. I'm not going to try and dissect everything with an electron microscope because that (to me) is a sad way to go through life.

Again and for the umpteenth time..... I seriously dislike Trump because of Trump. Not what the media has said. Not what my neighbor says. Not what Facebook says. I seriously dislike Trump because of what Trump HIMSELF has said and done. I don't need talking heads on CNN to tell me what I myself have seen and heard with my own two eyes and ears. Trump, (IMHO), ticks off most of the undesirable character boxes a person should NOT have in order to be the leader of the most powerful country in the free world. That may not mean squat to some people..... but it means everything to me.

Alright, and I appreciate you taking the opportunity to run through specific examples(if you will) of why you dislike Trump. Some people cite the Central Park 5 and what he said about them, some people cite some bogus bullshit pushed by a dishonest media, and sometimes Trump simply doesn't help himself with his brash old school New Yorker personality....I understand why certain people would find that off putting.

I'm not going to go on and on about Trump because this is the BIDEN thread and I want to make sure I make everyone happy and stay on topic.


There's no way Hunter Biden gets any of the jobs he has held in recent years without Daddy being who he is. And there's a reason why he's sought out for such positions and it ain't because he's super smart. Has he broken the law? Well just being able to float that question is a big issue, just being able to ask has been met (at the media level) with MASSIVE resistance which to me personally perks my ears up.

You don't have to be a "conspiracy theorist" just to take a second and question the premise of what is being rolled out as "news". Why did Twitter change their retweeting policy before the election and change it back AFTER the election? Seems odd and/or convenient. But maybe I've just got a naturally questioning attitude.

To your point on not liking Trump as a person....I get that, I understand it. I see that from more than a few people....getting people to divorce themselves from the emotions of not liking the guy and focusing on what he accomplished is difficult. It's why getting someone such as yourself to seriously question "Was the vote REALLY on the up and up?" is a very difficult thing. Big time proof will have to be provided and when it's difficult just to pose the question to/for the media then you know any and all evidence will immediately be trashed, they'll immediately run stories about how bogus it is...hard to believe since in the past these companies had serious questions about these very same voting machines.

I'm not going to wade through the load of shit following your post, because I choose those I engage and believe me that group is shrinking ever so slowly.

Let me address your Twitter point.

Has there EVER been a person who has abused his Twitter privileges and Twitter in general as much as Donald J. Trump??

Second question: Regarding the leader of the free world... who presumably has a shitload more on his plate than the average person... is it reassuring to have the President of the frigging United States of America taking to Twitter to have personal battles with the Meryl Streeps, Robert DeNiros, et al of the world?? Not to me, it's not.

If the CEO of a major corporation were spending his time trading insulting Tweets with the forklift driver at one of his hundreds of facilities...... EVERYONE would raise an eyebrow in a micro-second. It's incredibly unfocused, petty and just plain STUPID and you have to know this. Would this CEO be effective at his job? If he spends half his time worrying about what forklift drivers think of him... probably not.

Addressing your point about Trump being a "brash New Yorker"..... OMG... I can only say this so many times before I begin face palming big time.......

I couldn't give less of a rat's ass WHERE Trump comes from. This is used as an excuse for his boorish personality as if it's supposed to make everything he says and does palatable. In what language do I have to say that I don't care why Trump is the way he is?? I'm technically from New York too. Doesn't automatically give me an excuse for being an asshole. If someone provokes me, I'll be happy to oblige, as I've done here before. But normally I'd say my level of human decency and maturity is a thousand-fold what Donny's is.

THIS from you..... "getting people to divorce themselves from the emotions of not liking the guy and focusing on what he accomplished is difficult"

I just don't know what to say.

What has he accomplished exactly?? And I mean besides stoking the biggest dumpster fire in American history. To the point where people have bought his bullshit... the whole kit and kaboodle... and the country is more divided than at any point since the Civil War. Which BTW reminds me of him comparing himself with Abraham Lincoln. What a fucking LOSER!!

What has he accomplished?? Started an ill-fated wall that will never be completed and would've never been effective ANYWAY, since we're not living in the Middle Ages, where moats and drawbridges were all the rage.

It has always been my belief and one shared by much more intelligent people than you or I..... that borders can be secured with TECHNOLOGY and policies and the BILLIONS that the wall would've cost can be put to much better use.

What has he accomplished?? He blasted Obamacare since Day One and promised to have something better in place during his administration. Where the fukk is it??

(insert cricket sound here)

What has he accomplished?? He not only MISHANDLED the COVID crisis more than any leader in the world..... but he also managed to POLITICIZE it!!!!!!!!! Damn that arrogant, ignorant asshole.

His penchant for "knowing more than anybody about everything" is so "5th-gradish", it's comically tragic. A fukking grown man... telling everybody he knows more about viruses than virologists.... more about war strategy than generals..... more about windmills than any engineer.... blah, blah, blah.

No, Kabong.

My dislike..... fuck it.... hate.... of Trump has been cemented a long time ago... and it has NOTHING to do with Trump being a New Yorker ( I have family in NY... and they're all decent human beings).... NOTHING with the media feeding me propaganda... nothing with what ANYBODY has said or written to me.

I only hope against hope that American NEVER elects a loser like that as President again... or at least until after I'm dead and gone.

[Beanz]

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. For the traitor appears not a traitor – He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city – he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.” - Taylor Caldwell (paraphrasing Cicero)

It all boils down to who you believe has been bought off. Yourself, Tito, Spicoli, Master, Kirkland, Slim, et al believe Trump has been bought & paid for. Whereas I (and perhaps a few others) believe the bought politicians are of the establishment class, I believe on both sides Democrat & Republican.

Russian collusion was thoroughly investigated and found not a whiff of wrongdoing.

Meanwhile Hunter Biden's very existence is merely scratching the surface of a deep dark corrupt ROT at the very heart of Global politics. And I would figure you MIGHT be interested in it seeing how it involves not only other nations (specifically those interested in 1 World Government) but the very largest corporations some of whom utilize slave labor to this very day.

But to each their own. Not like the Chinese have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar....Fang Fang anyone? Swalwell? Feinstein? Naaaah denial and calling it a "conspiracy theory" is far too easy.


What policies has Trump used to Russia's advantage vs what he's done to help Americans? What policies have our previous & current establishment politicians used to help Russia or China or whomever OTHER than The United States...NAFTA? TPP? Endless wars? Iran Nuclear Deal? Paris Climate Accords? Those don't help Americans at all.

What a crock of shit. That is the absolute opposite of reality.

I can't speak for Master or Spicoli, Kirkland, Slim etc but if I were to make an educated guess based on their years of posting, I would suggest that it is ALL of us that believe 'politicians of the establishment class' as you put it, are and have been bought for years from both sides

You must certainly do not, and so that makes you a liar.

[El Kabong]

What a crock of shit. That is the absolute opposite of reality.

I can't speak for Master or Spicoli, Kirkland, Slim etc but if I were to make an educated guess based on their years of posting, I would suggest that it is ALL of us that believe 'politicians of the establishment class' as you put it, are and have been bought for years from both sides

You must certainly do not, and so that makes you a liar.

Well I explained as to why you might hold that view and I don't think I was insulting in doing so. I don't think the public is currently privy to the information needed to draw conclusions as of yet.


So you believe Biden has been "bought for years"? Trump is not of the political class ergo his diehard following, but if you think he IS of the political class, please do show your work.


No, I've stated, well before you I think many a politician, many an ESTABLISHMENT Republican & Democrat have been bought and paid for. But if you want to call me a liar go ahead, it ain't the worst you've called me and fuck me if it makes any fucking difference to you what you've called me, you clearly don't give a fuck. Who knows maybe we'll meet one day

[Spicoli]

For the 1001th time..I'm not so much interested in Trump being "bought and paid for" as I am in the fact that he swore an Oath and proceeded to shit all over the Constitution and now works feverishly to subvert and overturn the will and vote of a free people based on little more than a few dozen court rulings against his efforts and not one but two losses in the Supreme Court of the United States. Jesus Christmas just say that twice to yourselves. This isn't about feelings. We are sooooo beyond that. And for the record every Politician is open to being compromised and influenced and to be crooked. Every single one of them. But first and foremost I go on what I see, what a man does and what is proven or not proven in a court of law. When I see a lawful election and millions of Americans and their rights being worked against in a despotic power grab..that's an alarming numero uno problem. That is not American.

[El Kabong]

For the 1001th time..I'm not so much interested in Trump being "bought and paid for" as I am in the fact that he swore an Oath and proceeded to shit all over the Constitution and now works feverishly to subvert and overturn the will and vote of a free people based on little more than a few dozen court rulings against his efforts and not one but two losses in the Supreme Court of the United States. Jesus Christmas just say that twice to yourselves. This isn't about feelings. We are sooooo beyond that. And for the record every Politician is open to being compromised and influenced and to be crooked. Every single one of them. But first and foremost I go on what I see, what a man does and what is proven or not proven in a court of law. When I see a lawful election and millions of Americans and their rights being worked against in a despotic power grab..that's an alarming numero uno problem. That is not American.

Then you're obviously more at ease with the election than a lot of people are....and that's fine, but the pushback from damn near everyone on Trump and Trump's supporters merely requesting audits is something I find puzzling and worrisome. If Biden did indeed win in such large numbers (legally, legitimately, fair & fuckin square) why the bristling at the mere suggestion of auditing the tallies? The reaction is not insignificant I can assure you.


What has happened is like Trump & Biden were sat down at a game of poker, all bets made, here's the flop, here's the turn, here's the river....and Trump shows his cards ooooh a very nice FULL HOUSE and when it comes for Biden to turn his cards over he just says "You're dancing at the wrong hoedown, you diesel-pumpin' gopher gobbler! I've got a ROYAL FLUSH!" and then he immediately starts raking in the pot never actually turning his cards over.

All Trump is asking is to see the cards....and apparently that's being a sore loser, apparently that's insane, apparently some people see that as a rather LOW thing for him to do.


Looking at the statistics Obama won 873 counties in 2008 almost 70 million votes, and Obama won 689 counties in 2012 about 66 million votes, but in 2020 Joe Biden won 477 counties and he got 81.2 million votes.


But yeah that makes sense right? No foul play there right? Especially when you ASK about there being foul play and are met with a stonewall of "Who me? I'm not even bothering to respond, it's beneath me. You're a totalitarian fascist bigot and a racist too for daring think that!" .....yeah that doesn't smell of bullshit to me


If evidence is provided that this was a crooked election, what then? If it's proven to be on the up & up I'll happily go on to the next thing which will be impeaching Joe Biden for his sons ties to foreign influence. And if that seems poor sportsmanship to any of you, then I suggest you hop in a time machine and roll back to 2016 and tell the Democrats how you feel.

[Beanz]

For the 1001th time..I'm not so much interested in Trump being "bought and paid for" as I am in the fact that he swore an Oath and proceeded to shit all over the Constitution and now works feverishly to subvert and overturn the will and vote of a free people based on little more than a few dozen court rulings against his efforts and not one but two losses in the Supreme Court of the United States. Jesus Christmas just say that twice to yourselves. This isn't about feelings. We are sooooo beyond that. And for the record every Politician is open to being compromised and influenced and to be crooked. Every single one of them. But first and foremost I go on what I see, what a man does and what is proven or not proven in a court of law. When I see a lawful election and millions of Americans and their rights being worked against in a despotic power grab..that's an alarming numero uno problem. That is not American.

Then you're obviously more at ease with the election than a lot of people are....and that's fine, but the pushback from damn near everyone on Trump and Trump's supporters merely requesting audits is something I find puzzling and worrisome. If Biden did indeed win in such large numbers (legally, legitimately, fair & fuckin square) why the bristling at the mere suggestion of auditing the tallies? The reaction is not insignificant I can assure you.


What has happened is like Trump & Biden were sat down at a game of poker, all bets made, here's the flop, here's the turn, here's the river....and Trump shows his cards ooooh a very nice FULL HOUSE and when it comes for Biden to turn his cards over he just says "You're dancing at the wrong hoedown, you diesel-pumpin' gopher gobbler! I've got a ROYAL FLUSH!" and then he immediately starts raking in the pot never actually turning his cards over.

All Trump is asking is to see the cards....and apparently that's being a sore loser, apparently that's insane, apparently some people see that as a rather LOW thing for him to do.


Looking at the statistics Obama won 873 counties in 2008 almost 70 million votes, and Obama won 689 counties in 2012 about 66 million votes, but in 2020 Joe Biden won 477 counties and he got 81.2 million votes.


But yeah that makes sense right? No foul play there right? Especially when you ASK about there being foul play and are met with a stonewall of "Who me? I'm not even bothering to respond, it's beneath me. You're a totalitarian fascist bigot and a racist too for daring think that!" .....yeah that doesn't smell of bullshit to me


If evidence is provided that this was a crooked election, what then? If it's proven to be on the up & up I'll happily go on to the next thing which will be impeaching Joe Biden for his sons ties to foreign influence. And if that seems poor sportsmanship to any of you, then I suggest you hop in a time machine and roll back to 2016 and tell the Democrats how you feel.

I am hugely embarrassed on behalf of both you and Brock. Seriously if you both believe this bollocks then i am at a lost as to what to say. It's beyond laughable, you are here trying to justify any kind of behavior you think necessary to pretend Trump and by extension you guys won.

Really?


For years from the first page of this thread you have been 100% partisan insisting that it is all about the Republicans not being corrupt like the Dems. The very opposite of what you are claiming now. You both guzzled the Kool Aid and are playing out of the same playbook as TIC. Seriously fuck off with that bullshit.

Nobody else in the entire thread subscribed in such an idealogical way than you two do to Trump. Most of the fellas here can see hypocrisy right across the board but you fucking lied and convinced yourself everyone must be like you.

Years of lies.

YOU lied and insisted that we all must love the Clintons.

You LIED and insisted we all just love Obama.

You fucking lied man.

Most people here do not subscribe to the kind of polarity you have held up high for four years now.

The Clintons are as dodgy as they come . I fucking railed against them on stages for years, the same with the Bush empire. Blair and Thatcher etc. Both sides of the same coin but Trump and Johnson are even worse.

THEY HAVE NO VALUES. They think it is all the big fucking look at ME show. Boris with his pathetic meandering faux patriotic latin bullshit as he makes he KGB mates Lords in the house of Lords and Trump with his TV Snake oil bullshit as he gets on his knees for the house of Saud.

And Tito thinks you deserve some kind of respect or dignity after you pretend anyone who questions you has no redeeming factors, and you continue to back a man who will have you shooting your fellow Americans in the face after you have funded his families court fees?

[Kirkland Laing]

Looking at the statistics

Ffs sake Lyle. You do come up with some funny ones. The problem here is you need to be able to put any random number you read or see somewhere in some kind of context and then maybe be able to apply some critical thinking to the whole thing and this is where you fall down what with having absolutely nothing at all on your little shelf other than whatever bullshit you've been fed over the previous 24-48 hours and absolutely positively zero ability to apply any kind of critical thought process.

Firstly the number of counties thing would maybe have some kind of significance if counties were roughly equally populated but they're not. Sixty percent of Americans live in less than five percent of American counties. You have one county with over ten million citizens living there and dozens of counties with less than a thousand voters. Over the past couple of elections Trump has cleaned up with rural voters in low population areas but lost increasingly heavily in the parts of the country where the people actually live and that make all the money.

And the bit about how Biden got more votes than Obama? Again an exceptional argument if the population in 2020 was the same number as in 2008 but it's not. There are 25 million more Americans now Lyle than when Obama got elected.

Trump and his supporters are merely requesting audits? This is another example of you not having a fucking clue of the election laws that currently exist in America. Most states have mandatory audits of national elections and these have already been carried out. At this point you possibly could realise that you haven't got a fucking clue about the stuff you're posting about and you're just parroting the garbage you're being fed by whatever media you consume.

Maybe it would be instructive to consider the opinions of people who actually know what they're talking about eh? Actual experts. People who have forgotten more about elections than the sum total of everything you will ever know about everything. And all of these people Lyle, people involved at the state and national level in running fair and secure elections all say that the election was unusually secure and went without a hitch all things considered.

Obama won 873 counties in 2008 almost 70 million votes, and Obama won 689 counties in 2012 about 66 million votes, but in 2020 Joe Biden won 477 counties and he got 81.2 million votes.


But yeah that makes sense right? No foul play there right? Especially when you ASK about there being foul play and are met with a stonewall of "Who me? I'm not even bothering to respond, it's beneath me. You're a totalitarian fascist bigot and a racist too for daring think that!" .....yeah that doesn't smell of bullshit to me


If evidence is provided that this was a crooked election, what then? If it's proven to be on the up & up I'll happily go on to the next thing which will be impeaching Joe Biden for his sons ties to foreign influence. And if that seems poor sportsmanship to any of you, then I suggest you hop in a time machine and roll back to 2016 and tell the Democrats how you feel.

[Beanz]

What a crock of shit. That is the absolute opposite of reality.

I can't speak for Master or Spicoli, Kirkland, Slim etc but if I were to make an educated guess based on their years of posting, I would suggest that it is ALL of us that believe 'politicians of the establishment class' as you put it, are and have been bought for years from both sides

You must certainly do not, and so that makes you a liar.

Well I explained as to why you might hold that view and I don't think I was insulting in doing so. I don't think the public is currently privy to the information needed to draw conclusions as of yet.


So you believe Biden has been "bought for years"? Trump is not of the political class ergo his diehard following, but if you think he IS of the political class, please do show your work.


No, I've stated, well before you I think many a politician, many an ESTABLISHMENT Republican & Democrat have been bought and paid for. But if you want to call me a liar go ahead, it ain't the worst you've called me and fuck me if it makes any fucking difference to you what you've called me, you clearly don't give a fuck. Who knows maybe we'll meet one day

You can meet me twice a week and have been invited to without leaving the comfort of your own home. Come on man, stop with this fake Alpha male bravado bullshit , if you are going to continue to put words into other people's mouths and speak on behalf of them, do not be surprised when you are pulled up about it. You are supposed to value frankness and yet here you are expecting me to bullshit you and pretend you give a shit about what people call you when here you are telling us all what we think and believe.

Nobody owes you fuck all, least of all 'showing you our work'. Slim did that for months on end and you got that tray of Michelin star evidence and reason, threw it in his face and offered him and all of us, a big fat fucking nothing burger.



Mean spirited , misogynistic, racist bigotry is bad enough coming from fucking Fox News, Infowars, Newsmax and the other 'Entertainment' channels you substitute for any kind of news. When it comes from the Presidents mouth and hands 14 hrs a day and you have the fucking audacity to argue that the prick is not part of the political class, your right to be taken seriously is hugely undermined.

People do not like Trump not because 'they think he is a Cunt' or because the non sycophantic propaganda channels have convinced them he is a cunt. They do not like him because he actually is a full blown cunt.

You want to defend him then go ahead but do not pretend that anyone not agreeing with you are just as vulnerable to the same brainwashed delusional cult faith based bullshit you subscribe too.